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Posted by: Silence is Golden ( )
Date: April 03, 2023 01:15AM

Several times it has been brought up, that when the current prophet contradicts past ones, then the current one is right, because now it is updated revelation. Unless of course the other was speaking as a man.

So I pose this question?

Why is anybody, especially Mormanism using the bible? If Rusty superceeds all others, and he is right and past ones are now outdated and\or speaking as men.

Then why do we even consider the bible scripture anymore, and why do Mormons consider the Book of Mormon scripture anymore. If they use the clause of "speaking as a man" or "modern revelation". Then past teaching or writings may be no longer relevant. And if God is perfect, then current teachings cannot contradict old teachings. Otherwise, the speaking as a man or current inspiration clause negates those prior writings. Then again perhaps the old writings were correct, and they negate the current teachings. If this old is right, then the BOM has been negated, and we need to go back to stoning people for picking up sticks on the sabbath.

I mean Christ was a prophet, per what I was taught as a youth?

Mormanism has thrown 100,000 marbles on the floor and is telling us its our fault if we slip and hurt ourselves.

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Posted by: Lurking Around ( )
Date: April 03, 2023 09:39AM

This is a very good analogy:

"Mormonism has thrown 100,000 marbles on the floor and is telling us its our fault if we slip and hurt ourselves."

I think those statements are intended for a certain subset of the listening audience - the less cerebral about it.

In Mormonism there are lots of problems with scripture - such as (i) the changing godhead (modalism in Mosiah 15, to spirit-god, spirit and body Jesus, holy ghost as shared mind of god and Jesus in Lectures on Faith Fifth, to the three distinct persons - incidentally what the Millerites taught) and (ii) making Biblical events literal like the Flood and the Tower of Babel through Ether in the Book of Mormon.

There are so many contradictions within scriptures before we even get to modern-day GC talks.

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Posted by: RPackham ( )
Date: April 03, 2023 02:31PM

See my list of contradictions in Mormonism at

And in the Bible at

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/03/2023 02:31PM by RPackham.

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: April 03, 2023 02:40PM

OTOH, she was a Christian Scientist...

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Posted by: dogbloggernli ( )
Date: April 03, 2023 02:44PM

Abrogation, it's a key concept in islam too.

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Posted by: Chicken N. Backpacks ( )
Date: April 03, 2023 02:51PM

Past prophets, meet underside of bus.

And if the GC speech where some guy said something along the lines of "...unlike comic books or vintage cars, past prophecies do not gain value..." is true, then J. Smith, Jr. shouldn't get a mention at GC. Or course, that whole D&C 132 polygamy thing or Civil War prophecy about "...war being poured out upon all nations..." didn't work out so well, so yeah...let's forget it.

So basically when old prophets get thrown under the bus, make sure the bus is a classic 1956 Greyhound Scenicruiser (it's worth more).

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Posted by: slskipper ( )
Date: April 03, 2023 03:53PM

There are no contradictions. You just need to stop sinning. Now go away.

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: April 03, 2023 04:05PM

Just do what I do, pick one prophet and tell members that the only prophet is __________. Mine is the Hinkster. When you don't like what a members says then "follow the prophet" and give them I don't know we teach that.

Hey- it's good to be a mormon, church is still a 3 hour block and I still expect my assigned home teacher to come every month- None of this ministering crap. The church still has laurels, mia maids and beehives and I'm waiting for my ward's scout troop to come by and put up my flag on Flag Day.

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Posted by: southbound ( )
Date: April 03, 2023 05:31PM


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Posted by: dydimus ( )
Date: April 03, 2023 07:05PM

It's whatever the CFO and Legal department say now...

It used to be a running joke or a sarcastic theme in church. Now it's proven fact. Everything, from "Proclamation on the Family" (drawn up so that the Church could have a creed for their amicus brief during Hawaii's same gender marriage legalization) to no touching rules in the Washing/Anointing etc. They will not do or say anything except refer to the Handbook of Instructions.

They have literally become Pharisees.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/03/2023 07:10PM by dydimus.

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