That would be to somehow make the earth a perfect sphere, or possibly a slightly elliptical spheroid. That way, when it was noon in one location, it would be midnight in another. When one location in the Northern Hemisphere experienced its normal July highs, another in the Southern Hemisphere would experience its normal July lows. The average global temperature would vary only slightly over the course of a year.

I'll get right on that!

The average might not be as bad, but the extreme highs and lows could still be, well, EXTREME.

But the temperature would still rise on both sides of the planet, meaning that the world would continue to grow hotter.



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It's freezing in Australia, snowed in Johannesburg recently, and Antarctica is gaining ice.

Are the heat waves in the northern hemisphere actually record breaking or is that what the media says?

Of course! Every meteorological organization in the world is lying about the temps, and none of the local people actually gathering the data are calling them out about it, and the media is in cahoots with them because solar panels.

Why didn't I think of that?

That's just like NASA faking to moon landing to keep their budget from being cut. It's just amazing that after more than half a century, nobody had a change of heart and spilled the beans, or got drunk and ran their mouth off, or told a spouse who later divorced them and spilled the beans.

Luckily some brilliant randos on the internet blew their cover by noticing the photoshopped "moon photos." And those engineers thought they were soooo clever, faking the landing.


Hint: any "conspiracy" that requires a quarter million people to engage in a coordinated lie and pull it off with no defections, did not happen.

Yes, it is winter in the southern hemisphere. It was winter last August too, and every August as far back as you care to look.

That's why the average world temp was only somewhere in the 60s or 70s - I've forgotten the final figure. It is still enough, even counting the winter temps down south, to set a record. Those winter temps are figured into the average every single year. Duh.

James Inhofe bringing a snowball into Congress to prove there is no global warming was treated as a joke, but his logic is very little different from "how can it be record hot? It is winter in Antarcitca."

The moon landing was fake?

ozpoof Wrote:
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> It's freezing in Australia, snowed in Johannesburg
> recently, and Antarctica is gaining ice.
>
> Are the heat waves in the northern hemisphere
> actually record breaking or is that what the media
> says?

In the UK and Ireland we are having record lows. People are putting their heating on.

ozpoof Wrote:
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> It's freezing in Australia, snowed in Johannesburg
> recently, and Antarctica is gaining ice.

Presumably you are referring to the NASA study that was published two years ago in the Journal of Glaciology.* The lead author of that study, Jay Zwally, says that the recent buildup of ice on Antarctica--particularly in East Antarctica--is anomalous and likely to reverse.

In his words, "If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and parts of West Antarctica continue to increase at the same rate they’ve been increasing for the last two decades, the losses will catch up with the long-term gain in East Antarctica in 20 or 30 years — I don’t think there will be enough snowfall increase to offset these losses.”

Secondly, Zwally has a remarkably accurate appreciation of the concept of "average," meaning that he combines the data on Australia with the global data to reach this conclusion:

“The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away. . . but this is also bad news. If the 0.27 millimeters per year of sea level rise attributed to Antarctica in the IPCC report is not really coming from Antarctica, there must be some other contribution to sea level rise that is not accounted for.”

Thus the pattern he found in Antarctica is overwhelmed by what is occurring elsewhere around the world: on average, sea levels are rising, and if Antarctica is not contributing to that, somewhere else obviously is. In other words, your ultimate source says the global data are correct.


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> Are the heat waves in the northern hemisphere
> actually record breaking or is that what the media
> says?

That's an ironic statement. For unless you are a climate scientist, you get your information from the media too.





*The article is available in PDF here:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-glaciology/article/mass-balance-of-the-antarctic-ice-sheet-19922016-reconciling-results-from-grace-gravimetry-with-icesat-ers12-and-envisat-altimetry/0A29BAA84961428700886DCCE201912F


ETA: Here is Zwally's summary of his research:

https://www.antarcticajournal.com/antarctic-ice-sheet-mass-gains-greater-than-losses/



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>That would be to somehow make the earth a perfect sphere,

Not possible. Because the Earth is not completely rigid, and because it rotates, centrifugal force is always going to cause an equatorial bulge. As it turns out, the difference between the equatorial diameter and the polar diameter is only 26-27 miles which is ~0.2%, so the Earth is almost spherical anyway.


>That way, when it was noon in one location, it would be midnight in another. When one location in the Northern Hemisphere experienced its normal July highs, another in the Southern Hemisphere would experience its normal July lows.

This is already the case. It is currently summer in the northern hemisphere and winter in the southern hemisphere. Where the sun is directly overhead (see here https://rl.se/subsolarpoint) it will be noon, but 180 degrees of longitude away it will be midnight.

That doesn't mean that the temperatures will average out. Because water has a much higher specific heat than land, the same amount of sunlight over a large land mass will have more effect on temperature than the same amount of sunlight over a large body of water. The distribution of land and water on Earth is not uniform so parts of Earth will warm more on summer days than other parts (the Eurasian land mass will heat more quickly than the South Pacific Ocean for example). Local weather will also be a factor.

>The average global temperature would vary only slightly over the course of a year.

The problem with climate change is not directly due to the distribution of temperature from place to place. It is due to the overall heat balance of the planet. Earth gets heat from solar radiation ( and a little from internal radioactive decay) and it loses heat from radiation back into space. That loss from radiation is proportional to the temperature of Earth - the hotter the planet, the more radiation goes into space. When the two are balanced, the temperature will remain stable. If incoming solar radiation exceeds outgoing radiation, then the temperature will rise; if outgoing radiation loss exceeds incoming solar radiation, then the temperature will go down.

The problem now is that they are not in balance. Incoming radiation (while it has short term fluctuations) has on average stayed the same. Because of increased quantities of greenhouse gasses - CO2, methane, and several others - outgoing radiation has decreased because said gasses absorb the radiation and reradiate it back to Earth. As a result, the global heat balance is positive, and the global temperature is rising.

What part of AVERAGE temperature don't you understand ?

The earth is a slightly elliptical spheroid. What shape do you think it is? Flat?

Now the climatistas are proposing we put reflective devises in the upper atmosphere to reduce the amount of sunlight on the Earth's surface. As we wait for the details of that to work out, we're supposed to keep installing solar panels to capture sunlight.

Crazy, isn't it?

Next thing you know, doctors will try to save a patient's limb with antibiotics even though they know they can always amputate it later.

And, and, and epidemiologists will push vaccines for emergent even though there are hospitals and morgues available.

Those science types sure are hilarious, aren't they?!



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Science is such a drag. Let me spice things up by positing that both the sun and earth are conscious beings. This interconnection has kept the Earth's temperature regulated to within a livable range for billions of years except for the occasional mass extinction.

Climate change is real. Ozone layer thinning is real. It was only 50 years ago we were putting tetraethyl lead in our gas tanks, depositing millions of tons of lead across the landscape. Even though the hazards of lead were well known. Now, is climate change caused by humans burning fuel? Correlation does not equal causation. The problem is that climate change being used as a political football hoses the science.

This is a good reason to keep pounding the drums of nuclear war. It makes everyone worry less about climate change, the economy, etc.

Ummm…maybe end or at least severely curtail the American military-industrial complex, the world’s biggest polluter? Paper straws etc ain’t gonna do it.

[Those who are for sending cluster bombs and tens of billions of dollars to Ukraine and also insist we cull cows by the hundreds of thousands etc can go fuck themselves. Seriously.]



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Nicely put. The world could send the cows to Ukraine and they could be dropped instead of bombs.

Two birds, one stone.

COW TIPPING !!!

Oh, gawd, not cows too.

How much are you supposed to tip a cow? This whole tipping thing is getting out of hand.

The standard for cow tipping is 20% for fresh, good-quality milk. If the milk seems a bit off, 15% will do.

Of course, if you get chocolate milk, a 25% tip for extra good service would be appropriate. :o)

The solution to the crisis is for people who use private jets to stop telling those without them what to do. Once we get past that problem, we can start providing an actual solution to this problem, instead of attacks on the poor.

What makes me think that if Al Gore rode a horse and buggy, you'd just find another reason to whine?

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https://www.deviantart.com/thanhnguyenslq/art/AI-Images-4k-Freepik-170723226149-972252577



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The only solution is billions and billions need to die. Starting with the airline and the cruise ship industries. Covid did it's best but we outsmarted it. Was that in our best interest?

The problem I see with how Climate Change is presented is exactly what has happened over the past week.

The actual rise in temperature over the past several decades is at around 1 to 2 degrees Fahrenheit.

You see the classical hot temperatures today hitting over the 100s and being more than the general 1 degree hotter and everyone is saying...see...climate change is REAL!!!

It is when people use situational occasions or exaggerate that actually damages the message.

Yes...Climate Change is real. Yes...it will probably eventually destroy all life on earth if we let it continue.

No...it's you are not suddenly going to see next summer change into being a 200 degree weather outside...because that ALSO goes against the models of what Climate Change predicts.

It's those who try to say extreme things are happening...and then others point out what actually happened or what is reality that actually damages the message and makes others feel like it is a hoax.

It's the historic data taken from the same locations as the current? If so are we comparing the same information (apples to apples, vs oranges. Nothing else has changed around the area where the data is taken?

Here's what NOAA has to say.

- Earth’s temperature has risen by an average of 0.14° Fahrenheit (0.08° Celsius) per decade since 1880, or about 2° F in total.

- The rate of warming since 1981 is more than twice as fast: 0.32° F (0.18° C) per decade.

- 2022 was the sixth-warmest year on record based on NOAA’s temperature data.

- The 2022 surface temperature was 1.55 °F (0.86 °Celsius) warmer than the 20th-century average of 57.0 °F (13.9 °C) and 1.90 ˚F (1.06 ˚C) warmer than the pre-industrial period (1880-1900).

- The 10 warmest years in the historical record have all occurred since 2010.

And frankly, 2° F in 150 years is a lot by geological standards. It is enough to generate more severe and less stable weather patterns as we have seen. And it will get worse.

I quibble, however, with your prediction that climate change will destroy all life on earth. You have to remember that there are microbial ecosystems living in the (to us) poisonous waters right above submarine hydrothermal vents where temperatures rise as high as 400 degrees Centigrade (750 Fahrenheit). Some of those ecosystems don't generate energy from sunlight, either; they use chemosynthesis. A few degrees change per century will probably go unnoticed down there.

I also think BoJ is correct in saying humans will most likely survive. What's a more realistic danger is a decrease in population that entails less environmental destruction and perhaps a return in a few hundred years to a more hospitable climate. But that's nevertheless a bleak outlook for us and our children and grandchildren.

Rather than the destruction "of all life on earth", I think a more reasonable concern is the reduction in biodiversity that is occurring due to climate change and other reasons. I agree that it's hard to imagine that we'll destroy the entirety of humanity. We're super adaptable. But it's not hard to imagine a collapse of society due to resource depletion exacerbated by climate change, leading to a significant reduction in human population. Throw a nuclear war on top of that, and we could be a tithing's percentage of what we are today, and eating crickets to survive. The climate may recover in some hundreds of years, but the biodiversity never will.

How can you do that, somehow?
And can you do it tomorrow?

Can who do what?