Have heard this one a number of times through the years in MFMC settings.

Joseph Fielding or another of the top GA Smiths had stated that Joseph held Priesthood - somehow. Don't remember the particulars, just that it was a convoluted method to justify Josephs vision.

Somehow it fits - joe did not see God & Jesus. He did not claim it so - just '2 personanges, my beloved son' speil.

So - do they actually believe Priesthood is needed to see God?

I used the above variation of your line at the Y just after my mission!!!

And no one holding the priesthood has seen god.

Despite years of propagated claims of the apostles seeing God inside the temple (and never making any effort to refute/correct such claims) they finally went on the record that none of them see or meet with God. Moreover, they now claim to only be witnesses of his name, not the person. ---



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I never heard that exactly. What does that mean for women? She only gets to see God if her male handler takes her? That's the way the temple is set up. Women need a male middleman. Eye roll.

I always figured it meant that women could feel the Iron Rod of ghawd if they'd just hold still long enough...

Certain woman can hold my Priesthood.

I'm sure this had probably been said in the church, but in reality, no one except the top leadership of the church can see God or say they've seen God. You're allowed personal revelation, inspiration to a degree in the Mormon church. If you're an average priesthood holder who goes around saying that you've had visions like Joseph did, you'd most likely be excommunicated. Of course, a woman could expect the same punishment.

Did I feel anything different after I was stripped of my priesthood? Nope. I never had a spiritual thought while I held it. Nothing changed.



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Exactly what part of the priesthood do I need to hold? Inquiring minds want to know.

like someone here or on fb was talking about Kolob the other day and I had never heard of Kolob until I came here.

That's okay if I can't see God. I'm not at all impressed with the men who say they represent him.

One can’t see God w/ or w/o holding Priesthood because he doesn’t exist.

That's what they used to say about the ghawd particle...

One must have faith!  Or works...

I'm just waiting to see what Einstein and those other famous believers have to say when they learn that their colleague The Cat has declared nature dead.

I didn’t say, god, I said, God doesn’t exist.
BIG difference.

Does God believe that you exist?

One on the songs that I've written (in this case, in the 90s...) contains the line:

"I can't believe in gods who don't believe in me". Not only am I inordinately proud of the line ;-), I also believe it to be true.



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Talking with you, Mr The Cat, is like trying to hit a moving target. What you say one day is likely to appear again the next day prefaced with a minus sign. And that remains true whether you spell God with an upper-case or a lower-case "c".

It's instructive, for instance, that you always capitalize God when he appears with his beloved son Particle. Why, you've done that four times in just the last two weeks!

Spinoza’s god

“I believe in Spinoza's god, who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a god who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind.” Einstein

“The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard, who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God, one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God.” Sagan

“God is the name people give to the reason we are here, but I think that reason is the laws of physics rather than someone with whom one can have a personal relationship. An impersonal God.” Hawking

“I use the word “God” in an impersonal sense, like Einstein did, for the laws of nature, so knowing the mind of God is knowing the laws of nature. My prediction is that we will know the mind of God by the end of this century.
The one remaining area that religion can now lay claim to is the origin of the universe, but even here science is making progress and should soon provide a definitive answer to how the universe began. I published a book that asked if God created the universe, and that caused something of a stir. People got upset that a scientist should have anything to say on the matter of religion. I have no desire to tell anyone what to believe, but for me asking if God exists is a valid question for science. After all, it is hard to think of a more important, or fundamental, mystery than what, or who, created and controls the universe.
I think the universe was spontaneously created out of nothing, according to the laws of science. The basic assumption of science is scientific determinism. The laws of science determine the evolution of the universe, given its state at one time. These laws may, or may not, have been decreed by God, but he cannot intervene to break the laws, or they would not be laws. That leaves God with the freedom to choose the initial state of the universe, but even here it seems there may be laws. So God would have no freedom at all.” Hawking
Brief Answers to the Big Questions

“So Einstein was wrong when he said, "God does not play dice." Consideration of black holes suggests, not only that God does play dice, but that he sometimes confuses us by throwing them where they can't be seen.” Hawking

“One god is a personal God, the God that you pray to, the God that smites the Philistines, the God that walks on water. That’s the first God. But there’s another god, and that’s the god of Spinoza. That’s the god of beauty, harmony, simplicity.” Kaku

So, life is about quoting people who, when you tell others who you're quoting, they're impressed?  

And when no one can come up with more impressive quotes, you win?

Please don't interrupt The Cat when he's having deep thoughts by thoughtlessly reproducing others' deep thoughts.

I have always agreed with what Einstein, Sagan, Hawking and Kaku all agree upon, the word ‘god’ is what some people call nature, our creator and reason for being.

Where I disagree with Einstein is that he said God does not play dice with the universe.

I’m with Hawking, Einstein was wrong, god, nature, plays dice all the time, only she throws them where we can’t see them, in her black hole.

Where I disagree with Hawking, is his use of pronouns and capitalization.



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You can't resist the middle-school vulgarity, can you.

That’s what Hawking said.

“So Einstein was wrong when he said, "God does not play dice." Consideration of black holes suggests, not only that God does play dice, but that he sometimes confuses us by throwing them where they can't be seen.” Hawking

I just disagree with his use of ‘He’ when nature is not he or she, it’s more of an it.



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Tommy Chong said he played Black Sabbath backwards and saw god.