Twinker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Apparently Dallin Oaks is next in line. > > How will he be received? > What predictions can be made about his agenda?
Oaks is an authoritarian. He signed off on electroshock treatment at BYU. If he can do that to gays who knows what else he is capable of?
Like Nelson he seems to be a great believer in the use of medical credentials to enforce power.
Some years back, before RMN was the president of "The Church" he arrived at our stake for stake conference. It sticks out because I had just watched Ben Stein's No Intelligence Allowed. Ben Stein commits a bit of time on eugenics, and what horrid things took place, and take place, with eugenics.
So up stands RMN. I will be damned if he did not go on about eugenics for a considerable amount of time. And not about the bad things. It was a med talk. A show off talk. But my mouth is hanging open because he is going on about how nifty eugenics is.
There is some ill thought in what he went on about.
"Apostle Dallin H. Oaks dramatically and unequivocally altered the conversation with transgender Latter-day Saints on Wednesday.
God created humans as male and female, who are defined by “biological sex at birth,” Oaks, first counselor to the president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, told an assembly of high-level church officers. “ … Binary creation is essential to the plan of salvation.”
For LGBTQ community this will go over about as well as outing the children of gays .... that the Lord decided to change after the outrage.
Incredible, isn't it? Somewhere around one percent of all human beings are treated like excrement by dint of birth.
Better that an innocent child be ruined through the arbitrary assignment of gender than that a generation of adult bigots change their views in accordance with science.
IMO Oaks will tighten the screws. So the TBMs will be even more miserable, and those on the fence will head for the exits. It will be a smaller but more fanatical church, at least in the U.S.
summer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > IMO Oaks will tighten the screws. So the TBMs will > be even more miserable, and those on the fence > will head for the exits. It will be a smaller but > more fanatical church, at least in the U.S.
The prophet is the idol Mormons worship. Anyone with that tittle is well received. You can replace a charismatic, highly visible and well liked church personality like Thomas S Monson with a strange, nerdy, boring guy like Russell M Nelson and it’s amazing how soon the charismatic icon is forgotten.
Nelson will soon be forgotten. The use of Mormon will creep back into the church. His legacy will be a Christ logo and lots of un-needed temples.
Looking at his career, he's a lawyer. He doesn't know crap about science and appears to have a regressive view about scientific issues.
My guess is that his leadership would encourage more extreme behavior within the religion and less tolerance. With their money comes power and influence over the laws that impact us all.
He is probably not going to improve how people view Mormons. He doesn't come across as a warm loving grandpa, but more of a shrewd intolerant business manipulator...just like Jesus would want.
The more the church tightens its grip the more members will ooze out between its fingers. The church has money but it’s losing members. Right now the conservative members are upset because the church is cozy with the United Nations and the Pope and other organizations they hate. They see Nelson as a fallen prophet.
Oaks will be another disaster. Then Bednar has a high probability of wing prophet. Fun. Fun.
I am irritated he does not like the word Mormon. DHO will fade. DAB will have a disconnect with members. Even the TBTT will find his business style tedious. But the Silver Fox, he is a president even my wife might watch in conference.
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He is a lawyer, so I bet he will proceed with caution. His tenure will be one without many changes or surprises. Nelson in the other hand was eagerly waiting for his time to shine and he did. I predict he will pass within 20 months
During the time when Mark Hofmann was was making forged church documents, and all that was happening in the news about him, it was Oaks who defended the White Salamander story and telling members of the church to be "more sophisticated in their reading."
My "reading" of Mr. Oaks has definitely become sophisticated.
So thankful that nothing Oaks says or does has any bearing on me and my immediate nevermo family. They have no idea he even exists. Only TBMs think he's important.
>> I think most of us agree that he would ramp up the hate for alphabet groups.
His most recent anti-gay conference talk did not go over well with many TBMs and nuanced Mormons. There are simply too many people who have LGBTQ friends, neighbors, coworkers, family members, etc. Plus many younger members are not going to put up with that. Society has moved on, but Oaks stays firmly stuck in the past.
and giving the 3 who left first permission by my leaving, I of course have the only TBM left in the family as my daughter. Anything negative that they have to say about gays doesn't go over well with her, though. She isn't as crazy mormon as she used to be. Maybe it will be Oaks who sends her packing.
After we were married and I was typing medical stuff, I typed up a girl who they discovered while trying to insert a catheter after a car accident that she was intersex. That was eyeopening for me. Helped me with my questions about my "ex" being gay. That in itself tells me that there is the possibility for almost anything when it comes to gender.
I felt all along that gay was okay, but they told me it wasn't. All I ever wanted was for them to say he would be okay, would live a happy life, find a guy to settle down with, and we could be friends. But, no. It has been 40 years since I ran into this issue and they still haven't figured it out.
I've been waiting for Rusty to kick the bucket since he became whatever he is. Why is it that the leaders live so long? It seems they are afraid to move on.
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The next I'm a Mormon campaign will be titled "Dude, I had no idea you're a Mormon". It will feature men and women who steal, cheat, lie, have affairs, are spouse and child abusers. It will feature funny outtakes where people say:
-I didn't think you were religious, you never attend church. -You swear more than my grandpa. -The last time you went camping with us, you drank all the beer. -I didn't know that you were a priesthood leader, because you're always bumming a smoke. -I had no idea that you've been to the temple because you're always wearing bikinis.
cl2 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was just coming back on this thread as I saw it > again and I'm still waiting for him to die.
His truthful answer to that question (assuming he answers truthfully--something that should not be taken for granted in Mormonism) will give you a very good clue as to what direction he would attempt to lead the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Nelson should task ChurchCo artists - designers with a making some anti-Mormon word icon such as the word with a Ghostbusters diagonal slash (they got it backwards) through it, Mormons love kitsch!