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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 11:01AM

One of the few times I wish there were an afterlife and a judgment bar.

Good riddance.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 11:06AM

Yeah, he got better than he deserved, IMO.

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Posted by: CrispingPin ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 11:15AM

Let’s see…he was the first NFL player to rush for more than 2000 yards in a season, and he murdered two people in cold blood.

In the minds of a few people (thankfully very few), the first fact almost makes up for the second.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 07:09PM

He sure was a handsome SOB, and a talented athlete. But NOPE. Bye OJ.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 11:29AM

No matter what you think of him you can't overlook his achievements. Same with Michael Jackson.

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 08:06PM

MJ was a child stuck in a man's body. His father Joe Jackson depriving him of a childhood really messed him up.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 11:46AM

I just now found out.

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Posted by: Twinker ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 12:02PM

Confession at the last minute?

For the sake of his family?

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Posted by: sd ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 01:01PM

boarded the express train to hell.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 01:04PM

The price-value of the OJ Bronco just doubled in case anyone wants to buy it...

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 01:53PM


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Posted by: tumwater ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 03:07PM

Beth, Mark Fuhrman, one of the detectives that testified at the trial was born and grew up just to the east of you in Eatonville, WA.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 06:58PM

Bless his racist heart, he moved here to Idaho.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 10:01PM


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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 02:46PM


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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 05:21PM

I was on summer break from school, and I watched his criminal trial every day. He had the best lawyers money could buy. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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Posted by: sbg ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 08:33PM

My boss was home sick during the trial. The next day he came in half dead because “if I watch another day of that, I’ll kill myself”.

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 06:57PM

"Gilbert claimed that Simpson had taken a sleeping pill prior to smoking marijuana and drinking beer in his Brentwood home when he revealed what occurred the night of June 12, 1994."

"Simpson said he visited Brown Simpson’s home, where he was greeted by his ex-wife wielding a knife. He allegedly mumbled to Gilbert: “If she hadn't opened that door with a knife in her hand ... she'd still be alive.” Gilbert then wrote: “Nothing more needed to be said. O.J. had confessed to me. There's no doubt in my mind."

So he did it after all. Could have been the Ambien.

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Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 09:02PM

I had to wipe out my post because I couldn't make it say what I meant. Sorry for the waste of space.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 04/12/2024 01:35AM by Nightingale.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 07:13PM

I hope there's some sort of 'ultimate' justice for Everyone, not just OJ.

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 10:38PM

But will he get his Heisman Trophy back in heaven?

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 10:42PM

Ths person that murdered OJs wife is finally dead

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 10:50PM

- I do hope there's justice for victims, penalties-consequences for those who harm others...

If his family members inherit lotsa bucks, I hope they pay some reparations to the families of the victims as a token of remorse.


btw, the license plate of OJs bronco was 3DHX503 California; I believe it was given to OJ as part of his compensation from Hertz, but I'm not certain of that.

It's changed hands a few times after the chase, I think an eastern U.S. citizen owns it currently.

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Posted by: blindguy ( )
Date: April 11, 2024 11:17PM

I was working for a hotelier at the time of the trial. One of my co-workers was a very nice lady with little more than a high school education who actually worked two jobs. Whin the O.J. verdict was announced, she became very frightened that he was going to kill her next.

To me, that was odd. Mr. Simpson was only charged with the murder of his wife and her boyfriend and I'm sure he was guilty of both--certainly the evidence went that way. But a serial murderer who would rape and kill female strangers? No! As my sister pointed out, this was a crime of passion, not some guy who would kill any woman he met on a blind date. That, I'm afraid, was what the late Phil Spector did but not O.J. Simpson.

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Posted by: Kentish ( )
Date: April 12, 2024 09:37AM

It is hard to equate the vicious killer with the image of OJ gently placing the ball on the ground after a brilliant run for a TD. None of the show boating of so many but an act that simply said he had done it all before. His smiling face in ads and movie parts hiding the monster within.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: April 12, 2024 01:28PM

Who would you nominate as not having a monster within?

Of course, the vast majority of us are able to control the volume...

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Posted by: Kentish ( )
Date: April 12, 2024 02:34PM

The only one I know for sure is myself but would hate to believe that the majority of people have a hidden monster within that they have to control against butchery and murder.

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Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: April 12, 2024 02:49PM

Kentish Wrote:
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> The only one I know for sure is myself but would
> hate to believe that the majority of people have a
> hidden monster within that they have to control
> against butchery and murder.

Yes, I agree Kentish. Mercifully for me, I see a lot of very good people, no sign of internal monsterish trends.

But for sure there are some out there. As for O.J., I read yesterday that he consumed drugs and alcohol (what a surprise! - not) and that that could have been a factor in how he reacted. Or maybe he consumed them after the murders and that's the state his agent found him in. I don't know all the details and there are some unanswered questions and unknown details. Who will ever untangle it all now?

It's very unfortunate that issues of race played into it all. How he was viewed, who comprised the jury, all the underlying factors that went into the trial and the eventual verdict. A lot of noise and fury that very likely played a huge part in it all.

I can never get used to seemingly everything being described in terms of skin colour.



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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: April 12, 2024 02:50PM

What if it's 'butchery and murder' for a good cause?

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Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: April 12, 2024 02:54PM

elderolddog Wrote:
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> What if it's 'butchery and murder' for a good
> cause?

And, of course, it's the victors who determine and/or describe their cause as good.

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Posted by: Kentish ( )
Date: April 12, 2024 02:59PM

When has murder as it is defined ever been deemed for a good cause?

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: April 12, 2024 03:17PM

What!!!  You would have the Nephites come to a new land without the Plates of Laban!!!!!

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: April 12, 2024 05:57PM

If only Ron had handed over the sacred records.

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: April 13, 2024 01:50AM

OJ died the same day Ford issued a recall for the Bronco Sport fuel injectors.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: April 13, 2024 05:37PM

So your 3 cylinder bronco sport was recalled ?

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Posted by: oxymormon ( )
Date: April 13, 2024 04:58PM

I'll bet the "real" killers are breathing a sigh of relief from his relentless pursuit of them. [insert rolling eyes emoji here]

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: April 13, 2024 06:14PM

Snicker

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: April 13, 2024 07:44PM

After I watched the entirety of the trial, there was no doubt in my mind that he did it. His lawyers were just that good. They were worth every penny that he paid them.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: April 13, 2024 08:38PM

I think that trial was when I first realized the justice system isn't always about fairness (black people of course say DUH - but I was a slow learner). There seems to be no end to the tricks available for those who have the money and right friends.

It's not fair to the reputations of hardworking law professionals who don't pull a bunch of dirty tricks.

By the time Harvey Specter showed up on TV, I was still a bit naïve and wanted to believe everyone was on the up and up.

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Posted by: blindguy ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 07:00PM

Dagny wrote in part:

"I think that trial was when I first realized the justice system isn't always about fairness (black people of course say DUH - but I was a slow learner). There seems to be no end to the tricks available for those who have the money and right friends.

It's not fair to the reputations of hardworking law professionals who don't pull a bunch of dirty tricks."

When I took the required business law class in the late 1980s (I was working on an MBA which I eventually got), the professor addressed a very similar question; i.e., if you were a lawyer and you knew that your client was guilty of the crime charged, would you still be required to pull out all the stops to defend him?

The answer was "yes", though I don't remember right now which U.S. Supreme Court case he used to justify that answer.

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Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: April 13, 2024 08:56PM

I heard current analysis that because of the highly antagonistic race relations at the time some were worried O.J. wouldn't get a fair trial. Turns out there was apparently a higher percentage of Black jurors and many people thought that's why he was found innocent despite the prosecutors thinking their case was airtight. O.J.'s fans at the time sure looked shocked and then thrilled while white viewers looked disbelieving at the highly unexpected verdict. Most unfortunate that that aspect had to rear up.



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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 01:57AM

You made me curious. I just read that indeed, the majority of the jurors were black, and this was primarily because the trial took place in downtown Los Angeles as opposed to Santa Monica, where the crime occurred. Ten out of twelve jurors were women, with most having a high school education, but no higher.

I have no clear memory of the jury. Perhaps they were not shown on TV. I also don't remember anything in particular at the time that would have made race relations any worse.

I do remember OJ's lawyers working overtime to make their points. They were quite clever. My impression when the verdict was returned is that they had done their job in terms of creating reasonable doubt. I didn't have any doubt at all, but they convinced the jury.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 02:05AM

The judge in that trial was incompetent, sort of like Aileen Cannon but without the nefarious intent.

He let the defense raise all sorts of arguments and evidence that should never have seen the light of day. The trial dragged on and grew exceptionally complicated. He was no match for Simpson's high-priced attorneys, who simply wanted to throw dust in the air and then complain that no one could see.

In those circumstances jurors get confused and fall back on their preconceptions. You have to remember that they were not allowed to see the news with which the rest of us were constantly bombarded. An entirely white jury might have likewise concluded that the judicial standard, beyond a reasonable doubt, had not been met.

Judges matter.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 02:36AM

Does anyone know of any good books about the trial? It was quite the saga.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 11:22AM

minds.

The trial of the police officers in that case was moved to Simi Valley, and the officers were acquitted, then LA burned.

More importantly, imo, is the history of racism in LA law enforcement.

Venue and jury selection were key to both the defense and the prosecution. A conviction was assumed, but it would have had to have legitimacy in the public’s eyes.

But oops! Judge Ito! And oops! Well-paid defense lawyers doing their jobs well. And oops! Mark Furhman.



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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 12:00PM

Exactly, Beth.

The Rodney King beating and obvious police racism was very much on everyone's minds.

If anyone thought letting OJ off would make things seem less racist, it didn't help in the long run. The problem is deeper and persistent still.

I'm disgusted with humans in general. They are tribal, greedy and aggressive as a species which overshadows altruism most of the time IMO.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 12:01PM

Agreed, my sistah from another mistah!

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Posted by: blindguy ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 07:14PM

summer Wrote:
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> You made me curious. I just read that indeed, the
> majority of the jurors were black, and this was
> primarily because the trial took place in downtown
> Los Angeles as opposed to Santa Monica, where the
> crime occurred. Ten out of twelve jurors were
> women, with most having a high school education,
> but no higher.
>
> I have no clear memory of the jury. Perhaps they
> were not shown on TV. I also don't remember
> anything in particular at the time that would have
> made race relations any worse.
>
> I do remember OJ's lawyers working overtime to
> make their points. They were quite clever. My
> impression when the verdict was returned is that
> they had done their job in terms of creating
> reasonable doubt. I didn't have any doubt at all,
> but they convinced the jury.

If I remember correctly, both the murder and trial occurred after the Rodney King beating (1992) and its aftermath (in fact, I believe it was after the police officers involved were acquitted of the charges brought against them by Mr. King and others.) So an African-american jury in downtown Los Angeles would have been more likely to believe O.J. Simpson than the prosecution. The late Vincent Bugliosi (hope I remembered the spelling correctly) who was a former Los Angeles District Attorney (if memory serves) wrote an article for Playboy magazine after the verdict noting that probably the biggest mistake the Simpson prosecution made was agreeing to have the case tried in downtown Los Angeles instead of in the wealthier Santa monica suburb where the crime was commited.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 10:06PM

You are most likely right about that. It was a big error not to try the case in Santa Monica. I wonder why they made that decision?

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 11:44AM

You guys really think OJ did it? Any guy with the wrong kind of enemies can have his life destroyed by offing his wife. Look at what happened to Robert Blake. Any guy in that position is going to be falsely accused and those false accusations will stick one way or another. OJ reacted the way I would expect a black man in America to react.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 11:57AM

I remember thinking that this was a first. I was in my mid twenties, and I thought about race, class and spousal abuse more deeply than I had previously. I have had people in my family targeted and railroaded because of race, so it wasn’t like the occurrence was foreign to me. It was a given. But *this* guy…no. This guy does not get a pass.

The justice system did work as designed because there was reasonable doubt introduced by the defense.

(For those who care, I’m Black.)

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 12:24PM

Happen to be Black.

None of us were on the jury. The prosecution screened the jury and presented its case, the jury decided. Everyone wants to second guess the jury without having been there.

This goes back to the question often raised here, what is truth? For the criminal case, the decision is the truth. The court of public opinion is not entitled to a lynching. Which argument is, I must confess, so much white supremacy. Blacks are screwed in court all the time.

OJ went to jail for trying to steal back his Heisman. With a gun. This tells me he ran with bad people, maybe mob people, and that he was dumb as rocks. Dumb enough to cross the wrong people.



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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 01:30PM

Those are facts backed up by irrefutable evidence.


I wonder if they’ll do an autopsy to see if he had CTE. That could be a mitigating factor.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 03:11PM

>> You guys really think OJ did it?

Absolutely, and I watched every minute of the trial. No question in my mind. He got away with murder.

It was the most riveting kind of reality TV before reality TV was a thing.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 12:33PM

I wanted to add to this thread some other deaths of lesser known but inspirational people so Dave can know:

Faith Ringgold

Her quilts and art depict her African American experiences. I was fascinated by her story quilts.

https://www.faithringgold.com/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/13/arts/faith-ringgold-dead.html


Lori and George Schappell

They were conjoined twins who made life work for them. They make me realize how easy I had it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/04/13/conjoined-twins-lori-george-schappell-dead/73313966007/

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 01:51PM

You are once again forcing me to use google. It's so unfair !

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 03:18PM

I acquired her book, "Tar Beach" early on in my teaching career. I used it for read-alouds and as a part of my classroom library. You still see it here and there in elementary schools.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 10:35PM

I’m regretting that I posted on this thread, even mostly about the Bronco.

kinda-sorta reminds me of other celeb crooks, they just don’t deserve - shouldn’t have this much ink.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: April 14, 2024 11:09PM

Naw. It was newsworthy, and we have to keep Dave up to speed.

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