I watched the council meeting last night in Fairview about the new temple there. It was interesting and insightful. The Church and its lawyers are really bullying the City of Fairview for allowing them to build this temple. The discussion was great. I grew up in the Church and the steeple was never discussed as a way to look to heaven. I heard so many things last night about the building features I had never heard before. Here is my takeaway.
1. The Church lawyers have threatened the mayor and the city council with a large expensive law suit if they do not grant the permit. That was evident. If this is God's house, would God act this way and create all sorts of misery in the lives of the people of Fairview. This fight is political and not gospel oriented.
2. The people who lived there bought their homes because they felt it would be what they wanted for life. Now they have this hugh building. I can feel why they want it reduced in size. They had great arguments before the council last night. The problem was the Church lawyers had met with city council and mayor before this meeting and must have really threatened them. I have never seen a city council so weak when listening to the concerns off its voters. Is this the way that Jesus would handle this situation?
3. The Church lawyers at the end of the meeting went to the microphone and started to cry that they were not allowed to present their proposal. Frist they were out of line with the meeting agenda. The mayor had said the discussion was over and up come the lawyer crying that they were not heard. What did the mayor and the council discuss that the citizens of Fairview did not hear? What stood out to me was how the lawyers wanted to control the narrative. This is so foreign to what the Church teaches. Love thy neighbor, try to get along with people. The lawyers were actually scaring me and I was just watching TV. How do the people in Fairview feel in real time. Listening closely, the lawyers made it very clear they we not going to change their position but did some BS statements to make you think the Church might change. The lawyers are going to screw Fairview. This is the true Church, the corporate Church. So foreign to me.
My last point. This goes back to Dusty Rusty. He is the CEO and President to the Church. He might not know what is going on but that is no excuse. He and he alone is responsible according to the articles of Incorporation. And if he is God’s prophet this does not reflect very well on how God is choosing his prophets.
My heart goes out to the people of Fairview. Their mayor is a disaster with no backbone. This situation is not about love and kindness but something else.

That doesn't surprise me. I know that the township of Belmont, Massachusetts was able to stand up to the church at least in terms of steeple height. But there is a lot of money in Belmont. Hopefully Fairview can do the same. The church's bullying tactics need to be brought to light.

The ‘Mormonish’ podcast has had a number of episodes about controversial planning/zoning issues for temples at Cody, Fairview, Lone Mountain(Las Vegas) and Heber Valley. They provide regular updates and gave air time to community reps from Heber to discuss issues around lighting, dark sky, water issues and changes to zoning codes.

Apologise if this has been mentioned elsewhere.

Interesting. Thanks for the report.

My tolerance for "victim bully" religion is at an all time low right now.

I'm sure the money bags will get what they want, the poor persecuted dears (eye roll).

Welcome to reality. Here in Utah, look at the recent temples forced into neighborhoods. They bring in the big guns and a truckload of money and threaten to bankrupt small towns with lawsuits. They just did it in Cody, Wyoming and here in Heber Valley, UT. They get zoning changes (or else they sue them) and build a Costco sized temple with 200 foot steeples, into residential neighborhoods. Talk about pissing off your neighbors, but they don't care. Locals HATE it, including church members. Talk about creating even more animosity for your cult. Deservedly so.



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Interesting. On this week's edition of PRX's "Reveal,", the story was about a small town in New York that was fighting efforts to install a solar farm on 110 acres of land near the town. The town council blocked it, then the state of New York overrode the council, noting that these solar plants were absolutely necessary if the state and its residents were going to end their addiction to oil and slow down the process of climate change.

The show's host noted that the New York story was a microcosm of the opposition to solar farms developing across the entire nation. He noted that nationwide, about 10 million acres of farmland would be required for the kind of energy the country would need, but since the U.S. devoted about 2 billion acres to farmland usage, it was only a small percentage of the total.

Opponents of the solar farms called them an eyesore; and some didn't think that the issue of climate change was already here. Others just wished they had a greater say in the location of these solar farms.

I bring this up because unlike Mormon temples, solar farms are very much needed if we are going to slow down climate change. Yet, like Mormon temples, the solar industry is facing a lot of pushback from locals on this issue. And, of course, the solar industry does not yet have the money to have the lawyers that the Mormon church has. To me, it would be a tragedy if the LDS temples were allowed but the solar farms weren't.

Hm. I guess you *can* mess with Texas. Am I correct in assuming that Fairview is not the residence of one Rafael (Ted) Cruz?

Mormons: "We built this temple and now no one will talk to the missionaries. It must be Satan. No one is persecuted like we are!"

MEMO

FROM: Mormon Jesus

TO: Mormon Ministering Angels

SUBJECT: My Second Coming

As you Angels know, Mormons have always expected that when I return to earth I will appear in the Mormon Temple.

The difficulty I am having is that they have built so many fricken temples that I have no idea where I should show myself.

Therefore as my angels I am requesting that you go into the world and measure the height of all Mormon temple steeples.

When you return and report I shall appear in the Temple with the TALLEST steeple.

Your prompt attention to this matter will be appreciated!

LDS Inc plays hardball, and not as a last resort. They are good at making offers you can't refuse.

No wonder I always felt like I was being initiated into the mafia with each endowment session.

Sounds like the church leaders and lawyers keep forgetting to wear their CTR rings.

Choose The Reich.

There's a recording floating around the internet of a man at one of the Texas meetings calling out the corporation as liars. Stating in his many years of church membership, he was never taught that steeples had any religious significance to mormons.

800 Kg Gorilla

Oh my I wish I could have been there to give my testimony.

Dear City Council, the Almighty God hath decreed through the Holy Nelson that Jesus wants us to be like the Zoramites in the Book of Mormon with this big huge tower where we can go up and look down on all other people. And now you anti-Zoramites are opposing this commandment and Kirton & McConkie will spend billions from the Ensign Peak Advisors warchests to destroy the Mayor and you council members in Court and otherwise so we can have our beloved Zoramite tower. Our church doesn't take crap from you folks in Texas. Look what we did to that former Bishop Sam Young in Texas who tried to protect children instead of focusing on being an obedient sheep who would protect the beloved Brethren. He got ex'ed and now he's condemned to eternity in hell. Same goes for the rest of you if you don't precisely obey this pro-Zoramite commandment. We must have this Rameumptom on the temple.

Oh you poor ex-[long]s don't have a leg to stand on since you haven't saved up a few hundred billion into your own slush funds to fight the almighty Kirton & McConkie. This is the 21st century and it's how our wondrous Lord moves forward this peculiar Church of ours. Thank goodness I gained a powerful testimony of the cheerios in Nursery as a toddler and thus was an easy target for the Correlation program to wire my brain to think so non-delusionally now. That's why I'm an apologist because my brain was thoroughly baptized and washed by immersion to think this peculiar way. If it wasn't for the cheerios and Correlation program then my brain might not be wired this wondrous way.

Well I gotta run now. I need to go harass my neighbors into getting themselves assimilated into this wondrous religion. It's all part of the missionary work duties that are constantly on my mind where every person I see is thought of as a target for assimilation.

". . . through the Holy Nelson. . ."

Dammit!

That had me laughing so hard that I inadvertently woke the Komodo dragons and now I can't let the children out to play.