https://kutv.com/news/local/woman-dead-parents-in-coma-after-suspected-heat-related-incident-in-snow-canyon-humbelina-dario-belyruth-ordez#


Daughter dead and parents in a coma. First, these people are from Orem, not Michigan where they might not know better. It's been 100 degrees in Orem, so why not go on vacation to St. George where they just broke records for the most consecutive days of 116 or more? And then go hiking in the blazing hot sun in the middle of the day. Is this another case of "The Lord will protect us"? What are the odds of them wearing a layer of polyester underwear while hiking? I don't get it.

"The Orem community was doing everything they could to help this family, and asked for prayers."

Really?

moehoward Wrote:
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> "The Orem community was doing everything they
> could to help this family, and asked for
> prayers."
Really?


it's possible if not likely that with a base of family members, funeral & other items will be covered by others (if they need help)

But there will be mementos in the girls bedroom, and many other reminders of their negligence if not stupidity for a long, long time.


Returning to 'normal' after this will be a real bitch.

I know someone who got permanent kidney damage from getting dehydrated in the southern Utah desert. I spent some time in the Middle East. Some parts of this deserts can kill you in a few hours if you don’t have water. My mom was from southern Utah. Everyone had a gallon jug of frozen water. You always took your jug with you in the summer. Dehydration can set in quick.

>  First, these people are
>  from Orem, not Michigan


    Ordóñez

    That's not a Nephite name!

    I have no specific scientific knowledge regarding skin color's bearing on resistance to higher temperatures, but I'm aware that folklore has it that darker-skinned people, such as myself, can tolerate higher temperature situations better than Gladys Lot, who could be mistaken for an overly healthy healthy swan . . .

    I've played golf, walking, in 100+ degree summer weather with no ill effects other than not having to pee after four hours of walking and two gallons of water.  (See, I sweated it all out, which is a good thing; lots of water, lots of sweat but no dehydration!)

    I'm under the possible delusion that the above-noted feat was made easy-peasy because of my sturdy, we-killed-all-the-sissy-Nephites, heritage. But probably, it was the two gallons of water that were crucial to the success of my outing.  I bet two gallons of water could have made this a non-event.

    Optimism is a dangerous drug.



    I hate this line from the article:  "The Orem community was doing everything they could to help this family, and asked for prayers."

    I wonder what they consider 'everything'?

    And what should be the content of my prayers?  Do some prayers count more than others?  Is there any danger of having too many prayers offered up; can too many prayers clog the lines?


    Finally, just what did ghawd think was so gosh darn important that required the young lady's help on the other side of the veil?  Damn these mysteries beyond our understanding!!!

    

    

>     . . . folklore
> has it that darker-skinned people, such as myself,
> can tolerate higher temperature situations better
> than Gladys Lot, who could be mistaken for an
> overly healthy healthy swan.

. . .

Wherein Gladys confesses her mixed heritage and gives some hint as to Jesus's perpetual confusion. . .

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2vjr3hyzCuA

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lCeM7kOBWI4

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AZ_YFCPjAbE

"I wonder what they consider 'everything'?"

Well, generally, the request is for "thoughts and prayers." So if they're still asking for prayers, the generous Oremites have already contributed the thoughts.

Too snarky?

such as myself, can tolerate “higher temperature situations”

EOD lol knows all to well about “higher temperature situations” I can imagine you being one of the early LDS leaders living a polygamy lifestyle. Sorry, an angel with a flaming sword had commanded Joseph Smith to take multiple wives.

Joke aside. When I was active lDS I didn’t question mission calls. Sending innocent young 18 or 19 year old teenagers as missionaries to teach in dangerous places. A friend of mine served in Venezuela about 23 years ago or so and someone broke into their living space while they were gone. The window was a whole no glass no plastic so someone can easily go get a ladder and go drew the whole inside. The church did nothing except place a wood beam between the window so now the whole was more difficult to get in. Not safe at all for sister missionaries or any missionaries but it was a “cheap fix”.

I do think that the LDS faith can “through faith everything is possible” can people make more gullible falling for MLMs.

In Phoenix, Arizona, local hiking trails for Piestua Peak (formerly Squaw Peak) and Camelback Mountain are off limits to the public between 9am and 5pm this summer for precisely the reason of trying to prevent an incident like what apparently took place in Snow Canyon. I hope that St. George-area media and government leaders made it clear (if only in English though Spanish would have been the preferred language in this case) that people are *not* encouraged to hike in the scenic mountains and canyons in the area because of the *very* high (and almost record-breaking) heat.

They have PSA's and posters everywhere. If you do go out, hydrate before, even if you have to force yourself to drink it, drink at least a pint of water every hour. And most importantly, leave at dawn and be back in the parking lot by noon. When my wife and I go on long hikes (more than 2 hours) we bring airline bottles filled with pickle juice and bring fast food mustard packs in addition to our water bottles. Old hikers hack that we rely on if we start to feel fatigued. It's an electrolyte infusion.

I knew about pickle juice but not about mustard. Great info. Many thanks!

People need to know how to look after themselves. Restricting access won't fo that.

Is there any proof they were LDS?

Scratch that. Just seen below.

My 5-year-old and I were discussing this just yesterday. He was complaining that he didn't like sweating. I said Junior, do you want to DIE? Your body needs to sweat to keep it from overheating. If your body overheats, it will die. It needs to sweat, so you always need to drink water in hot weather.

I did not hear any more complaints about sweating.

Save the stupid for your church meetings and respect nature, assholes.

> Save the stupid for your church meetings and
> respect nature, assholes.

Wow! First summer, then Nightingale, and now you too?

I must up my game!

I think that many people are not used to dealing with the intense heat that we've been getting this summer. The most I will do outside lately is to swim laps in a pool, and even the pool is putting up warnings to stay hydrated.

Pools can in fact get too hot to swim in, and you can dehydrate in a pool. You still sweat if the water is hot enough, you just can't see or feel it.

I lived in Texas during a particularly brutal heat wave. People were buying 500 pound blocks of ice to throw in their pools - about 3 by 3 by 1 foot blocks as I recall. A block of ice would lower the temp on the typical in ground backyard pool about 2ºF. For a day.

No evidence that they were mormon

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/2-people-dead-after-getting-lost-while-hiking-running-out-of-water-during-extreme-heat-in-canyonlands

Three people have also died in the Grand Canyon in the last 2 months.

I once had a pretty bad case of heat exhaustion. Scared me. Frightened to guides on the hike too - they seriously discussed calling for an ambulance. It was scarily easy to underestimate the stress of the hike, even though the hike was 5 miles, all gently downhill, so how hard could it be? And I thought I had plenty of water.

Turned out most of the trail was in direct sunlight, it was a day in the 90s, and it was a rarely used trail, so it was pretty overgrown, and I was relatively old and out of shape. Bad combination. Other people were hot and tired, but I was the only one who had life-threatening symptoms.

When I got to the Lochsa River (ID), I crawled into the water and sat there for half an hour. It was another hour after that before I had the strength to have some lunch. I spent the rest of the day in bed. I have never felt so exhausted in my life. I consider myself a reasonably well-informed and cautious sort, but I still underestimated that day.

I'm very glad U survived!!

Plenty of evidence, or I wouldn't have written that. From the SL Trib;

"Originally from Peru, the Ordóñezes emigrated to New Jersey before coming to Utah about a decade ago, according to Yeraldine Calderone, Belyruth’s close friend. She said Belyruth served a mission in Texas for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints several years ago and was living with her parents while attending Utah Valley University and working at doTERRA."

I didn't post the Trib link because it's a paywall site.

Q-

Does anyone have an update on the parent's condition?

I'm sure they don't want publicity now or for a while, but their friends will want to know how they're doing...

The mother has regained consciousness. the father is still in a coma and in critical condition.

This from the SLTrib this morning:
For friends of the Ordóñezes, Belyruth’s death is hard to understand because they say she was fit and a seasoned hiker who accompanied her parents on hikes in St. George every spring or summer.

“It was shocking because it was not like she was someone who didn’t know what she was doing,” said Pleasant Grove resident Melanie Penaloza, one of Belyruth’s close friends. “She has already been in Snow Canyon three or four times.”


The daughter was an RM who served in Texas, so she was familiar with hot weather, besides being experienced with Snow Canyon. The parents were found about a thousand yards from the highway. The daughter was found about 15 yards from the highway. The parents were discovered first by other hikers, and that was where first responders first went. I'm guessing what happened was parents were resting in shade when daughter went for help, Belyruth collapsed near the road, was not in shade, and probably died from burns from the hot rock that was in full sun. Tragic story any way you slice it.

    "It is not for us to question Heavenly Father's plans, but to bow our heads and submit to the will of the Lord.  She is in a better place now.

    "We will now be favored with a song sung by a trio of her closest friends; please know that it is a compromise between what she once told a zone conference she wanted to be sung at her funeral and what we, holders of the Holy Priesthood, find acceptable as we commemorate how wonderful the church is during this time of being in awe of God's divine majesty!"

    "Hit it, girls . . ."

someone pls comfort the family


and save some Funeral Potatoes for RfM posters!

Anyone remember the LDS scout group that lost a couple of people to dehydration, and almost lost even more. The leaders had made no mention or at least instructions about having water. Two scouts had to make it down to the Colorado River, and flag down people boating on the river to get help.

    The results of a two-minute Google search:


    "Posted June 27, 2005

    "Just in case people haven't been following the news, I was able to find the following list in just a couple of hours on the Internet. There were several others but I wasn't able to verify absolutely that they were LDS units. If you know about any other LDS boys that have died while on Scouting trips, please forward them along.

    1.  Luke Sanburg, 13, LDS.  From Montana.  Fell into Yellowstone River in June 2005 during troop outing while attempting to "push logs" into the river with the rest of the boys.  

    2.  Jeffrey Kenneth Lloyd, 17, LDS.  From Idaho. Killed on Scout outing after falling from zip-line in June 2005.  Lloyd does not appear to have been wearing a safety harness or helmet.

    3.  Brennan Hawkins, 11, LDS.  Lost in Uinta Mountains while participating with older Varsity scouts in a climbing outing.  Hawkins was not supervised and had no buddy.  He was found four days later after a massive search.

    4.  Garrett Bardsley, 12, LDS.  Lost in Uinta Mountains in mid-August 2004 after walking away from his Troop to get some dry shoes.  Body never found.  This boy was trained in Wilderness Survival but walked away from the area without a buddy, without any supplies, and wearing only cotton.

    5.  William Dunn, 13, LDS Troop 195 from West Valley City, UT.  Lost during troop hiking trip in Uinta mountains for 2-3 days in early August 2004.  This boy survived despite attempting to hike cross country to rejoin his unit.

    6.  Cody Clawson, 13, LDS.  Troop 241 from Huntsville, UT.  Lost during troop camping trip in Wyoming in June 2002.  Eventually found personally by Harrison Ford, who joined the search crew with his helicopter.

    7.  Jared Negrete, 13, LDS Troop 538 from El Monte, CA.  Lost in CA San Gorgonio Wilderness in 1991 during a troop hike.  This boy fell behind his group and was left by his Scout leader to pick up on the return trip.  The body was never found.

    8.  Kristoffer Jones, 14, LDS Scout from Long Beach, CA but participating as a guest of an LDS troop from Provo, UT.  Died in Zion National Park, UT, in June 2004.  Jones was unsupervised at the time and fell about 1,000 feet to his death.

    9.  David Phillips, 15, LDS Scout from Bountiful, UT.  Died in July 1996 from heat exhaustion and dehydration in Grand Canyon after his troop ran out of water while hiking the canyon.  The remaining seven members of his party also had to be evacuated by helicopter.  They had walked right past the signs warning them about water precautions.

    10.  David Fleischer and LeRoy Kim Ellis, Adult Explorer Leaders, LDS from Utah.  Drowned in July 1993 after descending into a slot canyon in Kolob Canyon, UT, on a post outing.  The group should have canceled the trip after finding water levels much higher than normal but did not.  Survivors sued the National Park Service and others for $24.5 million claiming that "they should have been warned."

    11.  Jesse Rampenthal, 12, LDS Scout from Gridley, CA.  Rampenthal died in 1998 after falling from a steep outcropping in the Sierra Nevada mountains in California.  This boy had a cast on one of his hands at the time yet was unsupervised and unsecured during the climb.  His mother sued the LDS Church for failure to provide adequate supervision and settled for an amount described as "substantial, but less than one million dollars."

https://www.scouter.com/topic/13716-why-do-lds-scouts-get-lostkilled-more-often/

Given your facility with Google, Jesus, would you mind looking up where this week's AA meeting is going to be held in Greenwich, CT?

I'd ask my grandkid but s/he hasn't been born yet.

How long does a Duck Duck Go search take? ;)

    "...lord luv a duck!"

One attacked me today. They might not have teeth, but they can leave a nasty blood blister.

That's when you say Duck Duck Stop.

lol

This story about a YW camp

https://www.ksl.com/article/51061672/youth-group-in-idaho-getting-treatment-after-possible-exposure-to-bats

"The Bear River Health Department said a group of young women from Box Elder County were staying at a cabin at Camp Chi-Keena in Soda Springs, Idaho, that was apparently infested with multiple bats."

Mormon?

Yes

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/ldsorg/locations/camping/camp-chi-keena/Camp-Chi-Keena-Map-Event-Fill.pdf

Bats need a better PR agent.

Bats are truly our friends.

Hopefully the publicity of tragedies serves as a warning to others who might use better preparedness & precautions.

I guess that other-than-Western activities aren't as dangerous as going into the desert, but there are other dangers along the Appy train, The smokey mtns, the Poconos, etc.

is 'sea scouting' still a thing? it used to be popular here along Puget Sound.