Hmm
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2020/07/i-experience-same-sex-attraction-would-church-members-welcome-me-back?lang=eng

"Having same-sex attraction and being an active member of the Church is not always easy. But as I put all my faith and trust in God, I can feel Him strengthening me. Critics will no doubt say that I’m not being true to who I am or that I’m disappointing the LGBT+ community."

I skimmed it a bit. Who could read that? What a Judas Goat that one is!

This bit made gave me a good eye roll:

"As Sunday approached, the adversary put many obstacles in my path that could have easily prevented me from attending. How grateful I am that the Holy Ghost persisted."

Do they ever listen to themselves talk?

He lost his life partner of 25 years. What happens if he meets someone new? There is still no place for gay couples in the church.

Why the hell even try? 'B'ain't worf it.

So is this guy hoping by kissing God's ass now that Heavenly Father will bend the rules and let him be with his true love in the CK? Desperation.

I get that we do strange things when grief takes over but this guy needs a non-mormon counselor asap.

Yes, grief can make people think wrongly. But he wasn't grieving when he decided to continue to take a beating from "his" church for all those years, while he was with his partner. I agree, he needs counseling from a real, non-religious counselor.

News flash: you can encounter "God" with no input from "The Church".

The main lesson from "The Church" is that you are defective no matter how hard you try.

The church doesn't make the rules, they only say what God tells them (through feels) the rules are. God changes his mind about the rules a lot.

At some point, he was disciplined for living with his partner. From the article "I received the restoration of my priesthood and temple blessings." This means at some point, the church discovered that he was living with a partner and held court.

Here's my background, part of my missionary experience involved working with less active members who had long left the church. Many were living with new partners, and a few had joined other churches. Yes, even being baptized in different churches.

Unbelievably, most church leaders really didn't have a church handbook to guide members back into activity (this was late 80s). The only two conditions that the church was hell bent on was to commit to attend church REGULARLY and to pay TITHING. There was no talk of priesthood restoration and one young man had served a mission, married in the temple then developed addiction issues, slept with prostitutes and gambled away thousands. My missionary companion and I sat through these interviews because the in actives were afraid of being alone with local leaders so it was agreed that we (as fellowshippers) were permitted to sit through the interviews with them.

All of them were welcomed into the ward with no restrictions of sacrament participation or prayer. Yet this article suggests that his decision to leave the church to love his partner requires MAJOR church correctives and repentance.

I think the article is very ambiguous and ingenuous. Yes, please return to our Jesus church so we can continue to practice hate.

Edit- I forgot to add an important part. I asked local leaders (remember there was no clear guidelines on what the next step was for long time actives returning to the church) if those who had been baptized in another church, would indeed require to be rebaptized. The local leaders did not know.

I mustered the courage to ask the mission president. God he was such a prick. He actually laughed when I brought up what we had been charged to do (find the lost sheep and return them to the fold). The MP hated my guts so all he did was lean forward and asked if I thought the lord would recognize a fake ordinance.

The long answer was no, inactives would not need rebaptism.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/29/2024 03:37AM by messygoop.

I noticed the same thing, Messy. Whatever discipline he underwent, it was glossed over. I don't know why anyone would go back to a church that treated them abusively. All I can think is that his grief became unbearable.

"Yes, please return to our Jesus church so we can continue to practice hate."

Yes. Exactly. But they call it love. Tough love. Court of love. Jesus loves you and so he wants us to do this to you!

Reminds me of a guy I know who is very passive-aggressive and often says very offensive things to people but when called on it or gets some push-back, he always claims he was joking and "you have lost your sense of humor".

The LDS is mainstreaming and will slowly bring the gay and trans thing in. Representatives of these groups have already been given tours.

When it happens it won't be because of popular demand but because powerful forces like government and business promote it and the FP want to be in that club.

...yeah. The Church will always prioritize and protect their 501(c)3 status, as that gives them the financial advantage that they need to keep the the op going..................YAY!!

The author's life partner of 25 years died in 2013.

With a bit of research, I found that his partner died at 75, but the author was only 57 at the time.

That's an 18-year difference in age, and it means they were about 32 and 50, when they got together in 1988.

One wonders if the author has convinced himself—in loneliness, in grief—that his love for his partner was "just a phase" or the delusion of a younger man in awe of his very senior, much accomplished partner, a well-known and respected cardiologist.

Once I testified at a public state hearing in favor of designating a portion of a state park as Clothing Optional; it was broadcast on TV,(slow news day, I guess) a 'member' saw it & ratted me out to our Bp who put me 'on probation' which I had never heard of. That was a downer for my (lying) "TBM" wife, things shortly went downhill from there.


lesson: people with contrary ideas or contrary speech aren't welcome to share 'controversial' them.