The Earth is far older than six thousand years.

Much, much older.

Deny all you want, but you can't make it untrue.

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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-79546-1

The frozen mummy of the large felid cub was found in the Upper Pleistocene permafrost on the Badyarikha River (Indigirka River basin) in the northeast of Yakutia, Russia. The study of the specimen appearance showed its significant differences from a modern lion cub of similar age (three weeks) in the unusual shape of the muzzle with a large mouth opening and small ears, the very massive neck region, the elongated forelimbs, and the dark coat color. Tomographic analysis of the mummy skull revealed the features characteristic of Machairodontinae and of the genus Homotherium. For the first time in the history of paleontology, the appearance of an extinct mammal that has no analogues in the modern fauna has been studied.


In 2020, the frozen mummified carcass of a large carnivore cub was found in the Abyisky ulus of the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia). The locality, called Badyarikhskoe, is located on the Badyarikha River (right tributary of the Indigirka River, Yana-Indigirka Lowland; 67°41ʹ14ʹʹN, 146°46ʹ13ʹʹE). The numerous bones of mammoth fauna representatives are collected from the loess-like loams of the Yedoma horizon in this locality.

Radiocarbon dating of the find (based on wool) is 31,808 ± 367 years BP, calibrated (based on the Intcal20 calibration curve in the OxCal 4.4 program) as 35,471–37,019 years cal BP (probability 95.4%; CCU AMS NSU-NSC, no. GV-4961, accelerator mass spectrometer MICADAS-28).

Findings of frozen mummified remains of the Late Pleistocene mammals are very rare. In Russia, the most of these finds are concentrated in the Indigirka River basin. Over the past 10 years, mummies of various animals were discovered there1,2.

The Badyarikha mummy (specimen DMF AS RS, no. Met-20-1) contains the head and the anterior part of the body preserved approximately to the caudal edge of the chest (Fig. 1). There are also incomplete pelvic bones articulated with the femur and shin bones. They were found encased in a piece of ice along with the front part of the cub corpse. The specimen is stored at DMF AS RS in Yakutsk.



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When it thaws… Watch Out!!!

So sabertooth cats were around when humans were here. Fred Flintstone really could have had one.

Some people are completely untroubled by facts.

My TBM friend insists that there's obviously something wrong with radiocarbon dating. She says, "Science doesn't know everything, you know."

I don't know how Mormons and other religions can write it off. The ice flats between Prussia and the North American continent (that the vast majority of nomads came from Africa) are insane.

I still don't know how they hold on. Watch RMN will come out with a statement saying radio-carbon dating is a fool's errand type of thing. That science is a fluke, and faith and his Christness is the only way to go. Besides! He got his heart surgeon degree from a Cracker Jack box!

Watch he'll say it!



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No, RMN won’t say anything. The Mormon church has long since given up trying to argue in favor of a young earth. They’ve even given up on trying to argue for the Hebrew origin of Native Americans. They simply ignore the whole issue.

Isaac Newton not only co-invented calculus in the late 1600s, he did groundbreaking work in optics and thermodynamics, both fields for which calculus is a fundamental tool. He calculated that if earth started out as a molten ball at the temperature of volcanic lava, it would have taken millions of years for the earth to cool to its present surface temperature.

Newton thought the world started hot, and has simply cooled by radiating heat into space. He was not aware of radioactive decay, which has been keeping the earth hot for not millions of years, but billions of years. Nevertheless, even Newton knew the earth could not possibly be just 7,000 years old.

Another item that proves how old things are is when you clean out a house of the food storage. Mormons should use that as a clear indicator of how old things can really get.

Showing my age here...

When I first saw RMN I thought, "What does Richard M. Nixon have to do with this thread?"

Loooool!!!

Was airtight. We had huge amounts of wheat (300 pounds), cake mix, oats, spaghetti, peanut butter.

It was all sealed. I went to a nearby shop to get the stuff. I spent only 300 bucks for the stuff. Then my ex and I got rid of it, when we realized there was nothing going to happen on Y2K.

"The Earth is far older than six thousand years. Much, much older. Deny all you want, but you can't make it untrue."

COMMENT: Older than six thousand years by what reference frame? One would expect that the reference frame intended in the Bible, would be the reference frame of the Earth; after all any other reference frame would be grossly misleading. Nonetheless, I suppose it is open to question. If so, does that get the Bible off the hook on this issue?

The Jewish nuclear physicist (and fundamentalist) Gerald L. Schroeder, wrote a book in 1997, entitled: *The Science of God: The Convergence of Scientific and Biblical Wisdom.*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Schroeder

In this book, Schroeder argues that the 'cosmic' reference frame matches the Bible perfectly. Here are a couple of quotes:

"This book accepts neither Bible nor science as being individually sufficient for a hungry mind seeking explanations of and purpose in life. In that sense, it is for skeptics and religious believers alike. These seemingly disparate sources of knowledge are combined as a single data base from which generalized conclusions are drawn. What appear to be diametrically opposed biblical and scientific descriptions of the creation of the universe, of the start of life on Earth, and of our human origins are actually identical realities but viewed from vastly different perspectives. Once theses perspectives are identified, they coexst comfortably with all the rigorous science and traditional belief anyone could demand." (p.3)

"The immense stretching of space since the big bang has strong implications for our cosmic clock. Waves of radiation that have propagated in space since the early universe have been stretched, expanded, by the same proportion that the universe has expanded. For example, as the universe doubled in size, the distance between wave crests (and hence the time between ticks of its clock) also doubled as the wave was stretched by the expanding space. For that clock, time would be passing at half its original rate. Again, please note that this time dilation relates solely to the stretching of space." (p.56)

"This cosmic clock records the passage of one minute while we on Earth experience a million million minutes. The dinosaurs ruled the Earth for 120 million years, *as measured by our perception of time.* Those clocks are set by the decay of radioactive nuclides here on Earth and they are correct for our earthy system. But to know the cosmic time we must divide earth time by a million million. At this million-million to one ratio those 120 million Earth years lasted a mere hour. That's the peer-reviewed physics and the biblical tradition of this discussion." (p.60)

The essence of this point of view is that not only has space expanded since the big bang (a known fact), but time also. Einstein showed us that neither space nor time are absolute, both being subject to reference frames. Schroeder coupled this idea to big bang cosmology, which implies that just as space is, and has been, expanding, so has time. In other words, the time frame as measured from the big bang (creation) was relatively 'short' in duration as compared to the time frame on Earth, which is relatively long in duration. Thus, millions of years on Earth is merely thousands of years in cosmic time.

I am not qualified to evaluate the workability of this thesis in any detail, except to note that this seems to be roughly the same argument (but without the religious connotations) as provided by theoretical physicist Lee Smolin in this book, *Time Reborn*. The problem is making time duration meaningful, as opposed to Einstein's static (block) universe. Of course, Schroeder not only wants to resurrect time per se, but also Biblical time.

The lesson here, if there is one, is not to be too quick to jump to a conclusion of religious nonsense in the face of modern science, where matters are rarely neatly established, especially as to space and time.

It was either Orsen Hide or Parkey Pratt the said the earth was 2 billion years old.

In modern times, mormons would tell you that kitty was left over from a different planet that was destroyed and used to create the earth.

Also mormons can push for a 13,000 year old earth. 7000 years yo create and 6000 years of history.

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> In modern times, mormons would tell you that kitty
> was left over from a different planet that was
> destroyed and used to create the earth.


LOL Yep. I almost mentioned that one.

Just in time for Christmas. Now I just need a sample for Junior's home DNA splicing and cloning kit.