Don't take chances. Be careful. Evacuate sooner than later. I wish I could send you some of my rain but since I can't I am sending good thoughts and positive energy (for what they are worth).

I’m guessing the LAFD is considering requesting mutual aid..

Forest or brush fires in Cali… No Fun!!

It's all hands on deck from all areas. I hated the Santa Anna winds down there, hot and so so dry. They may get up to 100mph. It looks like a second fire has started too. Not good.

The fire has spread to Santa Monica and Malibu. There are separate fires in Altadena (near Pasadena) and Sylmar.

It's a truly awful situation. Many people will be displaced. To our Los Angeles area friends, our thoughts are with you.

It's horrible. Hoping for the best and safety for all.

I haven't checked, but I hope the Getty Museum is spared.

When I lived there as a teenager, the Santa Anna winds were always a worry. Fire came fairly close to my home twice.

I hope things get under control fast. It looks like whack-a-mole trying to deal with it.

I read an article last night that the Getty complex had several mitigation efforts in place and had previously removed all brush around it in an effort to be prepare. So far, so good.

As of noon today, 0% containment with maybe 5,000 acres burned. I think 80,000 people are under mandatory evacuation orders. They are bringing in firefighters from Oregon, Washington State, and Nevada.

The Getty museum is way further South and West. This is tragic.
We used to live in Ventura and I had that area as part of my territory. I commuted from Ventura down the PCH past Mugu rock (the one in half the car commercials made in the US) through North Malibu (my favorite) to Malibu, Pacific Palisades to Santa Monica. Yeah, the 101 was usually faster but nowhere near as pretty and peaceful. I knew every hole in the wall and dive bar and good restaurants the 50 miles down that stretch of PCH. Now, the other shoe is going to drop this spring every time is rains. Mudslides galore. So sad.

Is there a branch of the Getty in the Pacific Palisades area? I think it may have been a branch, and the flames were definitely close to it.

Yes, you're right. The Getty Villas is close by. Hope all is well.

The evening news said so far, so good.

stillanon Wrote:
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> The Getty museum is way further South and West.
> This is tragic.
> We used to live in Ventura and I had that area as
> part of my territory. I commuted from Ventura down
> the PCH past Mugu rock (the one in half the car
> commercials made in the US) through North Malibu
> (my favorite) to Malibu, Pacific Palisades to
> Santa Monica. Yeah, the 101 was usually faster but
> nowhere near as pretty and peaceful. I knew every
> hole in the wall and dive bar and good restaurants
> the 50 miles down that stretch of PCH. Now, the
> other shoe is going to drop this spring every time
> is rains. Mudslides galore. So sad.

Odd statistic about driving that route. Shortly after the movie JAWS came out CHP noticed many more drivers than normal driving in the lanes furthest from the beaches. The lane nearest the beaches was often almost empty as a result.

Apparently JAWS scared hell out of a lot of commuters.

That sounds right. A great white from the New York Atlantic is going to eat drivers along the Pacific, on the highway.
From the same place that brought us Sharknado movies. I guess it's plausible....

stillanon Wrote:
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> That sounds right. A great white from the New York
> Atlantic is going to eat drivers along the
> Pacific, on the highway.
> From the same place that brought us Sharknado
> movies. I guess it's plausible....

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When JAWS came out it was powerful & had a big effect on viewers. So well done - it was/is a classic.

Yes, unreasonable to drive in he land side lanes but that is what happened. Was funny at the time.

It is actually a very good book. Well worth the time.

* Earthquakes
* Fires
* Floods & mud slides
* An oppressive taxation scheme coupled with exorbitant housing prices.

P.S.: I love the nudist - clothing optional places there, Let's Go NOW!



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and nothing happens in other states...

This is terrible. I severely dislike the the wind.

Any ChurchCo buildings involved?

Quite a few buildings on fire north of Pasadena. Several hundred all burning at once in this image alone.

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/06-closer-swir-view-of-burning-buildings-altadena-california-08jan2025-wv3.jpg?c=original&q=w_1280,c_fill

LDS, Inc. has/had a big 1960s chapel next to the Getty Mansion.
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0463801,-118.5609251,718m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e4

https://maps.app.goo.gl/HECbZ2fNR79kzjXo8

Located right on the edge of the chaparral.

In an area that burned in the first few hours of the fire. Big pine trees next to it, and other landscaping up against the eaves. No houses nearby. Seems it likely burned. And the land can now be sold for $$$$$$$$$.

Curious that LDS, Inc. internal risk assessors didn't make the building fire-safe. That vegetation should have been cut back many years ago when the mega-droughts and mega-fires started sweeping through California's urban-rural interfaces. That church is located in a high risk spot.

For all those who live in areas prone to wildfires, or may be in the future, I recommend fire-safeing your buildings. Lots of good instruction online. And I attended an on-site workshop in Mendocino County last summer. Very informative.

See for instance,
https://lafd.org/safety/fire-safety/fire-what-to-do/how-have-firewise-home

https://www.fire.ca.gov/dspace

https://readyforwildfire.org/prepare-for-wildfire/hardening-your-home/

https://fire.lacounty.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/lacofd-Fire-Safe-Landscaping_March-2019.pdf

https://www.fema.gov/sites/default/files/2020-11/fema_protect-your-property_wildfire.pdf

Best to all who are displaced or nearby.

RG

>Seems it likely burned. And the land can now be sold for $$$$$$$$$.

That's only true if they close the ward. Otherwise, they will need to build a new ward house and even if they sell the current land, they will need to buy other land.

Plus land that has been rendered a disaster area, and probably made nearly uninsurable, at least in the short term, is going to sell at a discount.


Meanwhile, I imagine some of the Mormons in Pacific Palisades are pretty discouraged about their tithing "fire insurance", and may stop paying, or attending.

A friend of mine said that the home of her son, daughter-in-law, and grandchildren is burned to the ground in Pacific Palisades. The whole neighborhood is gone.

They got out with their dogs and are safe, but just so devistating.

TG

*’devastating’

I am so sorry to hear that TG. Devastating is a good word for this. I am so glad they got out safe. It is going to take a long time to rebuild from this one.

Just horrible, but at least they are safe. I saw one estimate that about 75% of the Pacific Palisades area is burned.

One of the reporters was from the Palisades. He didn't have words. I won't be surprised if he cried after his part of the newscast.

We have been watching him too. His perspective has been good to have. You can tell how personal it is for him :(

I hope nobody moved to the Palisades from Lahaina.

Latest rumors in LaCanada have North Korean soldiers who snuck into the US starting the fires to distract US from giving more aid to Ukraine.

Or maybe it is some of the old Japanese balloon bombs still floating around from WWII?

Gee, that doesn't sound conspiratorial at all.

That would've been totally laughable up until the past 8 years. Now, it sounds believable-right? But, I have it on good authority it was those totally real Jewish Space Lasers that started all this.

There have been continuing rumors that Cali & especially LA were so wicked that ‘god’ would destroy them with natural disasters, such as disappearing into the ocean, others. IDK when these first started. They might have been related to sexually explicit media or something else.

Please provide sources, Mormon and otherwise!

Here's just one:


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http://www.omegatruth.org/daily-double/2015/2/19/how-sin-affects-the-weather-02192015-morning-thought


Most of the current problems we are witnessing in the natural world with the violent upheavals of nature in storms, hurricanes, tornadoes, and wintry blizzards, is not the result of global warming, but rather the consequences of global sinning. Contrary to what modern science would have us believe, there are other forces at work behind the scenes that can adversely affect our weather, and this is in direct response to the problem of global sinning. In the case of Jonah it was The Lord who sent out the violent storm, but more often than not, it is satan who is permitted to bring about deadly tornadoes, snow storms, and violent hurricanes, which take a heavy toll upon both man and beast. This sacred and scientific truth is distinctly stated in the word of God. Let's read:

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.


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etc., etc, etc.

Control. That's all the Bible is about... control.

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https://ktla.com/news/local-news/arson-suspect-arrested-in-woodland-hills-near-kenneth-fire/


An arson suspect was arrested Thursday night near the Kenneth Fire area as fire crews continue battling flames burning near homes in Calabasas and West Hills.

At around 4:30 p.m., Los Angeles police responded to reports of a man attempting to light a fire in the 21700 block of Ybarra Road in Woodland Hills.

Residents who spotted the suspect held him down until officers arrived. Photos shared on the Citizen app show officers surrounding a home where the man was handcuffed.

Showed the article to mom, and she says it's not real, or KSL would have broadcast it.

That's right! I live with a full-fledged non-mo mo!



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Beginning with rehousing residents, disposing of debris, new roads, schools, utilities.. I'm not going to see this resolved in my lifetime.

I briefly studied urban planning, look forward to monumental changes very soon.

Unlike bomb and firestorm damage caused by war, rebuilding LA will be a financial, legal, and burecratic problem, not a technological or logistical problem.

My guess is that it will be like the Lahaina fire in Hawaii -- insurance won't cover rebuilding costs, displaced lower income people will be forced to sell or abandon their property, corporate interests will build high rent apartments instead of affordable single family homes, labor shortages, etc.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuttberg

Many were amassed following the extensive damage from strategic bombing during World War II. These types are more specifically termed Trümmerberg (rubble mountain) and are known colloquially by various namesakes such as Mont Klamott (Mount Rag), Monte Scherbelino (Mount Shard), and Scherbelberg (Shard Mountain). Most major cities in Germany have at least one Schuttberg.


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https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2024/08/13/hawaii-news/the-process-of-rebuilding-in-lahaina-begins/

Overall, rebuilding in Lahaina is being challenged in many cases by daunting forces that include financial constraints of property owners and regulations governing special areas such as the town’s historic district and nearshore parcels.

Here's a really great website to keep track of the evacuation and watch areas. It has the best, most detailed maps that I've seen. Watch Duty is also available as an app:

https://app.watchduty.org/

Thank you.

Several of my old stomping grounds were destroyed. I was a frequent visitor to Topanga Canyon and Santa Monica beach especially. It's horrific what is happening there. I feel so sad for them and helpless.

I lived in Topanga Canyon as a young child, until age 8. We ran around those hills barefoot and unsupervised. Great memories there.

TG

It's heartbreaking.
This historic fire will be remembered for centuries and will change the face of LA forever.

Ever see Brad Pitt's movie "Once upon a time in Hollywood"?
Should bring back some memories.

I'm not normally a Quentin Tarantino fan, but I found that movie strangely satisfying. It was basically a revenge fantasy for the Charles Manson murders. I hope that whichever of his followers have been released from jail have gotten a chance to see it, to see what society *really* thinks of them.

Brad Pitt won an Oscar for the best supporting actor in that role. I still remember a scene in the movie where he is shirtless, wielding a hammer while doing some roofing work.

"Brad Pitt won an Oscar for the best supporting actor in that role. I still remember a scene in the movie where he is shirtless, wielding a hammer while doing some roofing work."

I'm sure you do. I liked it when he threw Bruce Lee into the car door, Pitt's dog attacked the Manson nuts and DeCaprio used his flame thrower. Pretty sure the remaining "Family" knows exactly what America still thnks about them.

I used to stop for beers and food, all the way up PCH from Santa Monica to Ventura in the afternoons (mostly beers.)
Gladstones, Malibu Inn, Alice's on the pier. Moonshadows, Sand Castle in Paradise Cove, Geoffery's, The patio, Tranca's Market for deli sandwiches to go, Neptune's Net at County Line and a few others that I can picture, but don't recall the names. Truly iconic stretches of real estate. Ever go to Sierra's Mexican off Topanga and Conoga Park Ave? Yummm.

I saw some photos that were taken on the burned-out portions of the PCH. There was a burned out car in one of them. I hope those people made it out. It reminded me of the fire on Maui where people had to seek safety in the ocean.

I keep hearing stories about water shortages to fight the fires. Not sure any amount of water would stop fires driven by massive winds gusting to 80 or 90 mikes an hour.

Yeah, when all of your neighbors from 4 surrounding neighborhoods run their sprinklers 24/7, that puts a strain on the system. Plus, CA contracts with Canada, and has for 31 years, to provide 2 Canadian Cl-415 "Super Scooper" planes that can land in the Pacific and drop water on fires. But they can't do that when the winds are too high. Plus, some idiot took out one 415 with a drone and that had to be taken out of service. Haven't heard if they patched the hole in it yet. This is a big mess of a lot of bad stuff coming together and happening at the worst time.

If only there were a living prophet who could predict these things.

We have no water shortage. The firemen found that there was no water in some of the hydrant systems which is inexcusable but not surprising.

Mayor Karen Bass cut the Fire Dept budget by 17 million a while ago. They showed on the news last night large yards full of fire trucks and fire equipment that the fire dept does not have the funds to fix. Constant power outages everywhere. Ours was out for days and had to shut down work. And while this fire crisis has been going on Mayor Bass went to Ghana for the inauguration of their president!

She would go the opening of a letter if she could get her photo taken with that silly grin on her face. Worst Mayor Ever. Now she's pushing back on the criticism and says she will form committees to see what went wrong. Spends millions on committees.

Please stop spreading propaganda.
First, $17 million was 2% of the budget. And it wasn't cut it was moved to another services budget during contract negotiations. The budget was actually increased.;

"“On Thursday, a spokesperson for L.A. City Councilmember Bob Blumenfield, who was budget chair last year, said the city increased the fire department’s overall budget by approximately $53 million in the current fiscal year. However, $76 million – intended to pay for fire department personnel – was placed in a fund separate from the fire department’s regular account when the budget was adopted because contract negotiations with department employees were still taking place at the time.”

As a result, if you just compare the LAFD’s budget last year to this year’s, it looks like it went down $23M. But that’s because when the budget was adopted last May or June, the city was still negotiating those new contracts. The $76M that was set aside in a separate account ultimately was moved once the MOUs were finalized."

Plus, the equipment you see have been mothballed and replaced by newer technology vehicles.
And the reason some hydrants "were empty (Hydrants are a valve to access the water from the water mains, the don't store water.

Also, the reason that some didn't have pressure was that every home in 4 neighbors were running their sprinklers 24/7 to try to keep their yards wet.

But even if everything had been perfect would it have stopped flames driven by 50 miles an hour winds with gusts of 80 or 90 miles an hour?

The L.A. fire chief admitted as much. She said that if they had 1,000 more fire trucks, it wouldn't have been enough.

But the fire grew too big to stop because the Santa Ynez reservoir had been drained for maintenance. Its cover needed repairs.

The Great Chicago Fire was blamed on a cow that kicked over a lantern. I suggest finding a cow to pin the LA fire on.

Well, they rebuilt Chicago...

Spreading propaganda? Don't be ridiculous. This is what I was on the news. There was an in depth program last night.

If what you say is true is great but to accuse me of some conspiracy is a bit much.

The program I watched was an interview with the LA Fire Dept Chief. I trust what she said more than your facts and figures. You seem to have an agenda.

Seriously? Did you also spread the news when certain stations were broadcasting that the New Orleans Bourbon Street driver was an illegal that just illegally crossed the border in Eagle Pass, TX.? Nope, an American citizen and US Army soldier. Oops. The LA Fire Chief has a political agenda, to get more money and raises for his union. Never miss a tragedy or natural disaster to capitalize on an agenda. LDS Inc. doesn't. LA has wone of the best funded, best equipped, best trained departments in the world. LA budgets are transparent. Every professional that looks at the numbers and the facts, back the Councilman. NOT the Fire Chief.

Yawn . .
You are the one with the propaganda.

The L.A. Fire Chief is a SHE and not as you say, " The LA Fire Chief has a political agenda, to get more money and raises for *his* union." You clearly have no clue about any of this but just love to accuse anyone of spreading propaganda. What a joke.

I am quoting people from actual interviews. That is not spreading propaganda. Perhaps buy yourself a dictionary?

With all the info coming out it has been hard to get things straight. I think it is correct about the two parts so really you were right but just not all the way right. It's been really confusing and we are all getting conflicting info.

Exactly. In this day in age, everyone is rushing to be the first kid on the block to tout that they know the facts. They rush to spread their stories that are not verified, even though they're aired. Take a look at this video, where a TV station got pranked, aired this story about the Asiana plane crash at SFO. They even stated that their info was confirmed by the NTSB (they weren't).
These days, everyone is quick on the trigger to restate false info. Sometimes on purpose, sometimes unwittingly. But they're still spreading falsehoods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaOkTKfxu44



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If anyone has or gets word from Done & Done and elderdog, let us know.

Thank you.

I'm okay. No power for days at a time. No email or TV. Hoarse, lungs scratchy from the smoke even with the N95 masks. It's bad where I am but not as bad as the Palisades of course. I feel so bad for them. Saw the flames over the ridge and been told to evacuate for the Sunset fire but in the end didn't have to as the fire trucks and helicopters descended suddenly on us in in drovces in the most organized way imaginable. Amazing they were. Made me tear up.

There is no music more beautiful than the sound of sirens accompanied by helicopter rotors. You can keep your Beethoven and Bach.

I'm very glad that the Sunset fire was contained, D&D. I was just reading that it consumed 60 acres of land. That's no small patch! It was a rare and needed victory for the fire crews.

That night the winds were not as bad. If the same thing had happened the night before with the 90 mile gusts there wouldn't have been anything left of our area in the hills nor half of Hollywood. So dry here.

My relative just bought an expensive home in San Clemente. Even if your house doesn't burn, what are people going to breath? Maybe Orange County has good schools. And how is the Newport Beach Temple doing?

I adore San Clemente. I spent a lot of time there staying with family. One of the few places I would consider living in So Cal. The schools were good and you could take surfing for PE. That far down from the fires and on the ocean the air should be OK.

Our first ward as a married couple was East Pasadena Ward, which included Altadena, Sierra Madre, Hastings Ranch, and part of Pasadena. Where my husband grew up. At first it looked like his old family home was gone, but later there was hope because the fire moved in a different direction.

Does anyone know about members who might still be living in what was this ward? Way back then, it was a good ward with lots of intelligent, talented people.

The resolution of these fires will outlive me & many others, perhaps a few RfMers.

Disposing of the ruins & debris will takes years after a site(s) large enough are located & ready.

XXX



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My daughter lives in Orange County.

She called us two nights ago and told us about the firetrucks.

They aren't letting in firetrucks unless they go through an emissions inspection first.

I have no words, because they would not be printable.

Sorry, VQ, but this just isn’t credible;

Who’s going to stop them from helping?

Most newer trucks were made to be in compliance anyway…

Don't overlook the possibility that this story is, at least, grossly misleading, if not outright BS. I know they are checking IDs. There have been instances of people dressing up as firefighters to sneak into the area to loot.

Even with all the streets blocked off by national guard troops, there were 20 arrested looters as of yesterday.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/wildfire/oregon-state-fire-marshal-clears-misinformation/283-49abc8db-7d30-4bd9-8b5d-af82a6dc7

"Here's what really happened when Oregon firefighters headed south to help with California's wildfires: They drove down Wednesday, got their trucks checked Thursday morning, and got right to work. No drama, no delays, and definitely no emissions test roadblocks, according to a statement clearing up the misinformation from the Oregon State Fire Marshal.

That's the message Oregon's fire marshal wants to get out after social media lit up with claims that California was turning away much-needed help over equipment regulations.

"To be clear: This is false," state fire officials stated in the press release, pushing back against what they called a flood of misinformation.

The real story? The state fire officials said fifteen strike teams from Oregon rolled into Sacramento Wednesday for an overnight pit stop. Come Thursday morning at 6 a.m., they went through what the fire marshal's office calls a "routine once-over" with CAL Fire — the kind of basic safety check you'd want for any fire truck about to battle a wildfire hundreds of miles from home.

By Thursday afternoon, every single Oregon truck had made it to Southern California. All passed their safety checks with flying colors, and crews were ready for their first 24-hour shift early Friday morning."

https://katu.com/news/local/fact-check-oregon-fire-engines-allowed-to-fight-wildfires-in-california#

"KATU News has been made aware of a post on a social media site claiming that the 60 fire engines from Oregon would not be allowed in California to help battle the wildfires around Los Angeles due to emissions.

A spokesperson with CAL Fire says that is patently false. "No vehicles from Oregon have been turned around or refused service at Davis Mobile Equipment and all out-of-state vehicles have been services and are heading to or have arrived in Southern California. No emissions testing was performed. All repairs were completed the same day with the exception of a couple because of parts but turn around was early next day," CAL Fire Spokesperson via email."

She was saying that the emissions requirements were for the trucks coming from Northern California, through Sacramento that are trying to head to the fires.

She was also saying that Burbank has fires all around them, not sure how credible that is, but she is very concerned for her to have called us twice, and she’s usually very level headed and logical. We told her to not watch the news so much, but at the same time, she needs to keep up with the latest too..

I'd still be very skeptical that you are not getting the full story. One possibility - a lot of roadside grass fires are started by cars that pull off the road, and their catalytic converter is hot enough to start a grass fire. Perhaps LA County requires converters that run cooler, or requires a special shield so that they do not inadvertently start brush fires while they are trying to put fires out.

That'd be a good reason to inspect the trucks, and perhaps restrict where they can go - like they can't go in areas where they would have to pull off to the side of the road, like winding canyon roads.

valkyriequeen Wrote:
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> She was saying that the emissions requirements
> were for the trucks coming from Northern
> California, through Sacramento that are trying to
> head to the fires.

A quick internet search reveals no reports of firetrucks based in northern CA being stopped as they go south. What the reports *do* say is that Oregon firetrucks are being stopped "by Sacramento," meaning the state government, or being stopped "at Sacramento" for emissions testing. Of course any firetrucks coming from OR or WA would, from your daughter's perspective, be coming from "northern CA."

It's the same false story.

They undergo a safety check. See my post above

Yes, but as your source noted, "no emissions testing was performed."

That was my point.

I have a friend who lives in Pasadena, and is one of only two fully active Mormons that I still communicate with on a fairly regular basis. He finally reported back on what's happening in his ward/neighborhood.

He used to live in the evacuation zone, but moved a few years ago and did not have to evacuate, though the zone boundaries were 1 and 4 blocks away in two directions. He has many friends that lost their homes, and others whose homes are standing, but they are not allowed to return until gas, water and power are restored.

My friend works at Jet Propulsion Lab. The fires came within yards of some of their buildings. For the first time ever (since founding in the 1950s) all power to the complex was shut off. There is a central command building that has never been unmanned and unpowered until now. They moved to a backup command building that is outside the LA basin, that I suppose was built to run the place in case a nuclear bomb hit LA. Power was restored at JPL yesterday, and the IT staff is working to restart thousands of network servers in the complex. Employees are to work from home for at least this week.

Most of his ward is in the evacuation zone. They held a "no program" Sacrament Meeting yesterday, where people just talked to each other, hugged, exchanged experiences, etc. The rest of the stake provided lunch for the ward and people hung out there into the afternoon. In one of those weird events, the ward organist's house was spared. He described it as the only house on the street still standing, but my friend looked up before and after photos of the neighborhood online, and it is the one and only house still standing for blocks in all directions. I suppose the bad news is they will be in the middle of a major construction zone for years to come.

Most of the ward is displaced, staying with friends/relatives. Aid locations are overwhelmed with donations, which is nice to hear. There is some gallows humor - "I am no longer encumbered by a bunch of 'stuff'." Dark snark, but there is a sliver of truth to it. There is a certain comfort when the whole neighborhood loses all their stuff. It democratizes the experience.

I am happy to hear about the meeting. For once they thought about the members, they just really needed their community. Extra points that they got fed! I am also happy to hear about JPL. I was lucky to be able to go their for fieldtrips a few times as a kid. Each time was a wonderful experience. I have tried to watch the tracker maps but it was hard to tell what was going on in that area.

Thank you for the report :)

If anyone has 2 + parakeets or canary (s) that need re-homing, I’m seeking…

I was born and raised in Tujunga which is at the base of the mountains between Burbank and Pasadena. Checking the online Weatherbug tracker, it looks like my old stomping grounds have, thus far, been mostly spared from the ravages of the fires (There were a couple of little fires started in the Angeles Forest north and west of the town but both are now contained). If the second gust of Santa Ana winds don't start any new fires, then I would say that my old home town did, in fact, get spared this time. My thoughts go out to all those still living in danger from these fires!

https://www.tiktok.com/@generallyunquotable/video/7459838374531124522

The LDS ward in LA has asked it's member's to take down the Christmas lights.

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> The LDS ward in LA has asked it's member's to take
> down the Christmas lights.


Just when I thought they didn't need/want any more distractions; o well.