Just another idiot who thinks they own the title "Christian."

I perdicted over a year ago, this Rommey mormon thing is going to be the kiss of death for the cult. Watch and see.

If I were someone who knew nothing about Morgbotism, and if I were trying to decide about whom to vote for, I would go to the internet. I would see comments like the following by the Pastor, and wonder "hmmn, why is he saying this", and I would probe deeper: "Mormonism is not Christianity. It has always been considered a cult by the mainstream of Christianity." Not everyone would do this, but lets say you have 1 million people who find out more about Mormonism in a bad way, the exponential fallout would be wonderful. Yes, indeed, the kiss of death. Ha ha mormons. I hope Romsleeze wins for ya. Talk about exposure and PR..oh yeah.

...the other guys (R-s) are worse than a Romney nomination.

I heard Michael Medved mention this and then go on about how the mormon church might have been a little cult-like when it began (he even went on a little tangent about a religion started by some guy named Abraham who circumcised himself 4,000 years ago would look like a cult, but it obviously had staying power). I never thought he was going to start gushing about how charitable the LDS church is, and how it "uplifts the poor" and the members have contributed so much to America. I'll give him Philo T. Farnsworth and John Browning, but he needs a little more education about other facets, IMHO.

Ask the grandchildren whose grandparents suddenly don't call or send presents any more.

Ask the grandparents who aren't allowed to see their grandchildrens' wedding.

Ask anybody about underwear with magic properties (see LDS remarks on the lion-arm loss just BELOW the garment line.

Ask any of us who have been subjected to audio sex grilling by church authorities.

Ask any young boy who has been forced to repeat the Sacrament incantation over and over and over until he got it just right for the spell to work.

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Ask anyone who had experience with the Temple oaths pre-1989 in which death oaths are taken by acting out sliting the throat, disembowling oneself, etc.

Ask anyone today about taking oaths to support, not Jeebus, but the COJCOLDS.

Ask anone whos ever worn the silly sacred temple clothing, i.e. bakers hat, etc.

Pffft..not a cult, give me a break.

It's just a big sophisticated cult. Who says a cult has to be small? Who says that, I challenge that standard!

Medved is a good conservative, but he's mistaking for a religious ally a fanatical, perverse, and deceptive organization. So he's blind to the real problems of the church b/c he likes what the church projects. Or rather, he likes the image that the church projects and therefore does not scrutinize it further, as it deserves, and which scrutiny it would not stand up to on any ethical scale.

There's no such thing as a good conservative: all conservatives ave done is screw this country without soap.

Hey I'm a liberal, but I'm not a Kool-Aid drinking, knee-jerk hater either. I appreciate political debate that isn't stupid, where people from either side can disagree with each other and, miracle of miracles, even recognize the good in each other's point of view. And maybe even, another huge miracle, admit to being wrong once in a while and accept something proffered by the other side. I think it's called being a grown-up. And I've been on both sides of the street. I know how the militants on each side think, having been at two points in my life a rather militant conservative (think, he joined the crazy Mormon Republican conservative white-bread church), and at two other points in my life I was a Marxist, socialist, Buddhist liberal (two degrees from Berkeley and the experience of being mind controlled by a bunch of conservative fundamentalist assholes in Salt Lake City who think nothing of wiping out my family even though I took my family into the church with nothing but goodwill and hope and trust).

So I've been a reader of The Nation, The Progressive, and The Village Voice, and The New York Times. I've also been a reader of the National Review, Commonweal, the New Criterion, and the Wall Street Journal. I like Bill O'Reilly and I love Christopher Hitchens. I read both of them critically. I don't think Paul Krugman is insane and I don't fear Obama. I enjoy reading George Will and William F. Buckley (RIP). I will read Marx and I will read Edmund Burke. I'm an independent thinker, not a Kool-Aid drinker, and when someone says blanket shit like "There's no such thing as a good conservative" or "All liberals want to take my Bible and my Guns," then I know I'm listening to a basically atavistic idiot.

Very well said. Couldn't agree more

It bugs me the way members are defending this by saying "We aren't a cult - we believe in Jesus." Like there aren't plenty of Jesus-based cults. Can anyone say FLDS? They believe in Jesus last I heard. I'm not sure how he ranks next to Joseph Smith but still. And don't they have Jesus Christ in their church's name ... somewhere?

Here is what makes a cult:

http://www.howcultswork.com/

In case you don't have time to click on, here's a quote:

"...a common mistake people make thinking that cults are purely religious groups. The modern definition of a mind control cult refers to all groups that use mind control and the devious recruiting techniques ... The belief system of a religion is often warped to become a container for these techniques, but it is the techniques themselves that make it a cult. In a free society people can believe what they want, but most people would agree that it is wrong for any one to try to trick and control people."



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MIND CONTROL -

THREATS: if you leave us, you will suffer....ruin, loss of family for eternity
IDENTIFICATION - do not identify themselves until the end
LEADERSHIP - one charismatic leader who is always obeyed
DECEPTION - PR front, happy, lie re history or hide/distort real doctrines
EXCLUSIVE TRUTH - they are only truth, only way to salvation, exaltation,
FEAR/INTIMIDATION - character assassination, guilt, leadership feared
LOVE BOMBING - people who you just met who were sent to "love" you
RECRUITING - high pressure to join even if you are unsure
INFORMATION - control what you read, ban info source or internet research
FRIENDS/FAMILY - tell you who to see/not see
REPORTING - members report one another to leadership; fake smiles
TIME - keep members busy and tired, no time for outside family/friends

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This garbage from Cindy Jacobs is just as disgusting as the Book of Mormon pseudohistory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsTiOzpSeU&feature=player_embedded

"we found some areas are very very violent because the former culture was a murderous violent area like in Texas here and all the coast around Houston and Galvaston and some of that area the Native American people were cannibals you know and they ate people and so you can see a manifestation of that in the churches where people turned against people and kind of cannibalized other people's ministries and so there's been a lot of prayer over that in Houston Texas they've done a lot of intercession over that and and broke the curses on the land and we just had a prayer meeting in Houston a little [over a] week ago"

I remember there was a poll asking Americans why they wouldn't want to vote for a Mormon as president. The number one reason was because the Mormons claim to have a living prophet who speaks to God and receives revelations. Yes, be very afraid people. Run away!

would understand why this alone bars membership to the club.

clearly she doesn't. It would seem that the standing members still do.

can't be simpler than that, Sonoma.

by these fanatic Christians, not by Mormons, much less ex Mormons.

These people are far scarier than Mormons to me. There are a lot more of them, and they have a clear political agenda. It isn't about being anti Mormon, it's about getting a fanatic Christian in the white house and in all the state legislatures.

We could be on the brink of becoming a near-theocracy if these people have their way. Mormons are just a minor stumbling block to them.

Romney's religious views don't scare me at all. He's a big phony. These guys are terrifying.

it will be interesting to hear romney tell the mormons what they do or don't believe. i think there are going to be some very surprised mormons. However, they may get some of those questions answered that you don't dare ask at church.

Plus I don't like his hair. hahahaha

Traditional "Christians" believe in a Jesus as described in the Bible....Period

Mormons believe in a Jesus as described by Joseph Smith

Mormons are "Joseph Christians"


As for the questions of "Are Mormons a Cult?" The answer is "They go into "worthy member" only buildings, put on white robes, veil and mushroom type caps and green aprons. There they learn secret handshakes, passwords so they can bypass the angels and go directly to god. They chant in the temples and stand in prayer circles. They believe they are the only ones to hold the power and authority of God and only Mormons can attain the highest level of heaven.

Or the short answer "Yes they are a cult"

howcultswork.com - a nice summary of cult tactics and important questions to ask yourself about any mystical group wanting your membership. It's funny how every indicator of a cult describes mormonism. I guess if it walks like a cult, and quacks like a cult - it is a cult.

Unless you're TBM, then those indicators are all lies and fabrications by satan trying to wreck gawd's work.

thinking he can tell his congregation how to vote. One of the worse sides of political nonsense there is. Shame on him. He is not a Christian for his behavior. That ought to be clear to everyone. Even Perry is not falling for the "you're in a cult" nonsense. That's such an idiotic thing to say in a political campaign. Hopefully his congregation is smarter than he is.