I received a phone call from a former friend from our TBM days. He is a very successful state farm agent and quite wealthy, married with 4 kids. He called me because of my background in art. He said he was interviewing a new employee fresh out of college and as he asked her questions she would reply with her experiences in art school. One of the things she mentioned was something she had overcome in her nude drawing class. He was very very worried that she was some sexual deviant, so called me to talk about it (wtf)? He said that there was an employee in one of his friend's offices that was openly propositioning the agent often and my former friend was very worried that he might be put in the same situation (in his dreams).

I told him I had taken the nude drawing classes with my bishop's approval and it was no big deal and doesn't indicate anything about this girl's sex life or orientation (I sensed he was worried that she was gay or bi as well) whatsoever. Enter the subject line: OH, GROW UP! Because of his experience in the mormon church he was a 40 something successful business man and father of 4 who could not handle a woman having taken a nude drawing class. He was almost paralyzed with fear that he would have sex with this girl and loose his salvation and his family, and she wasn't even offering! Oh, brother.

oh boy, Ummmm does this person live in Utah Valley?

grew up in Florida and resides in VA...he has very TBM parents though

Has this guy ever been to Dr. or nurse? Classes with naked people required. what a wacko.

I did a nude drawong class in college. I actualy hyad real trouble withg it because i was afraid to even draw most of the anatomy of a person because it was alwys considderd bad also I had little experiance with dealing with that anatomy seeing as my eyes are bad and for male nudes I had very little memoriesed refrance on how a male body feels and the only refrence I had for female nudes was my own body and even then I wasnt supposed to really do much with that.

I was afraid to even reach out and touch an arm or get a good look with my fingers on a face because you might end up touching something you didnt mean to oooh bad accedents do happen and all that.

that would be very uncomfortable...how did your drawings turn out?

You're right this man is being childish.

I dated a lot of Mormon men, before I was married, and 17 years later, after my divorce. I found that most of the Mormon men had not grown up, socially or emotionally.

Mormon men tend to be arrogant and chauvinistic. If you are cordial to them, they think you are hitting on them. Their wives don't trust them, either, and they have a hissy-fit if a single woman talks to them--so I never do.

It is because of the men, that the Mormons have the rule of not being alone with a woman--ever--anywhere. No other religion in America has that rule--except Islam. You're right--all this potential scandal is only in their dreams!

Are you pretty? By my own standards and experience, I think that this man is using YOU to stroke his ego. Depending on how old you are, that phone conversation between the two of you was inappropriate! I would not want my daughter to get a phone call like that.

" WTF?" was the correct response on your part. IMO, he's a perv.



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Your post expresses my thoughts about the situation exactly! They are totally childish in this regard and tend have a very overinflated idea of how desirable they are. Every woman and temptress I guess.

And, yes, I am pretty and I did get the yuck factor that the phone call was serving some other purpose for him, because it was just so pointless and inappropriate. I'm 32 so there's nothing predatory there.

The guy has probably been suppressing a boner ever since the interviewee mentioned nude models. Oh, the fantasies he must have had. But since he's a good and righteous Mormon, he would never have those thoughts, so it must be someone else struggling not to be bad. Ah, the new employee! That's it! Now he gets to feel all righteous again.

Phahahahaha

I remember my first day in figure drawing class at a SF art school. I walked in, sit down, the teacher talks for a few minutes, and then, BOOM! The hot looking female model takes off her bathrobe and stands in the middle of the class stark naked! I initially did a WTF, not expecting that at all. But taken in context, its really not that big of a deal. The task at hand is drawing what you see, not reaching for dollar bills and asking her to shake her booty. When your busy drawing, the libido really knows how to take a back seat.

I do remember one time a guy was dismissed from the class by the teacher while a good-looking female was modeling. I don't exactly know what he was doing that got him kicked out, but I'm sure it wasn't because his drawing sucked. I just remember thinking, "better him than me."
Sometimes we got the really old male nude models. Kinda gross at first, but like I said, when you focus your mind on the class objectives, the initial shock subsides.

I think your friend needs to take a chill pill AND grow up. Or maybe lay off the Viagra.

I remember my first class too. It was very similar...all of a sudden there was a naked woman under a bright light in the middle of the room. I was fine, but I looked at the freshman male to my left and sweat was literally pouring down his face, he was trying to play it cool, but he was freaking out. You could tell that his heart rate was elevated and eyes were dilated and he was trying to control his breathing. Pure adrenaline. Even he calmed down after a while.

He probably just doesn't know that collegiate-level art students spend a lot of their time drawing and painting nude models. As Misfit points out, after the initial shock of seeing a nude model, you just get down to business. It's not a big deal.

Hopefully you were able to set him straight, rmw.

Oh God, Don't EVER look at pornography. Once you get it into your mind you can't get it out. Don't masturbate, it's a horrible misuse of your PRIVATE parts. Even if you just LOOK on a woman to lust after her it's the same as committing adultery which is the SIN NEXT TO MURDER!!!!!

Don't wear sleeveless dresses, practice MODESTY. Don't wear clothes that show off the curves of your body or else you are WALKING PORNOGRAPHY! Do not watch R-rated movies because they might show a breast or a butt which is PORNOGRAPHY.

Now, after a lifetime of this indoctrination go to your figure-drawing class and be professional about things.

"Ha-ha-ha-ha! (louder) Ha-ha-ha! I can't believe anyone would conjure up such thoughts over a classic drawing lesson! Perhaps you need a lovely art appreciation coffee table book for Christmas."

Love the book idea, if we were still friends, I might bother sending him one.

If you have been tought something is evil for so long you never let yourself find out its not that bad without a real leap.

It's true, it's true. I think baura was making the same point. It's a huge leap from his world to a nude drawing class...but what gets me is that he can't put on a good face and deal with it like a man. I mean, he would pass out if someone came into an interview with a starbucks cup.

I think the best nude-drawing story was my ex-Mormon friend who became a nude model to supplement her student loans. :D

I'll bet he DOES hire her! Among other things, this guy will have an excuse to call rmw again, and talk about naked women some more.

Mormons, to inhibited to comprehend the beauty of God's creation.

If she were interviewing for a modeling job or another such job where nudity or near-nudity is sometimes appropriate, her art class experience might well be relevant.

However, I fail to see the connection between her art class experience and the skills she would need to work for an insurance company. THAT being the case, if I were the interviewer, I would question why the girl found it necessary to work ‘being okay with nudity’ into the interview conversation.

It sounds to me that it was a case of responding to a very typical interview question such as, "How did you handle a difficulty in your last job?" (or in this case, school environment.) Under such a circumstance, I don't see her answer as being out of line.

...(or a similar such case,) then I would agree with you, summer. Thanks for the insight!

You're right. It was something along the lines of confronting something that was challenging for her. Most people are terrified of trying to draw a face much less a whole body, it is very hard and so many of the art students hate that class.

None of the information I was given indicated that she was inappropriate in any way.

Golly, somebody call the COB in SLC! Insurance agent guy has a CALLING to be BISHOP. Put him in a ward with LOTS of adolescent kids who might surrender to the siren call of "self abuse."

(the poor guy will DIE from a ruptured prostate...)


~VOW

I LOVE to mock people behind their backs based on extrapolations from second hand accounts of what they said that have been supplied to an audience inclined to think them ridiculous by people predisposed to regard them as absurd.

It proves that I'm superior.

Please, somebody. Serve up another such person when this session has run its course!

Okay. Here's one.

I love for prickly-holier-than-thou-Mormons, to lurk on websites that they despise, too afraid to reveal their identity, so they can ambush a thread of venting, recovering Mormons; and mock them, so they can feel superior.

Bring on the next prickly-holier-than-thou-Mormon-lurker!

My name is Ken Clark. I am an Ex-Mormon and I approved this message.

Now it's your turn you prickly Moron.

worried about her being gay or bi???
Idiot.