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Posted by: Drew90 ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 08:37PM

All the other Christian churches that don't use wine for the sacrament use grape juice or some use both. They could use grape juice to start acting more like a mainline Protestant church.

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Posted by: YBR ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 08:39PM

they would have to spend money on grape juice.

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Posted by: honestone ( )
Date: March 25, 2012 11:11PM

That is funny and hadn't thought of it....most likely true.

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Posted by: Java's Mom ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 08:49PM

MORmONS be cheap!!!

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Posted by: JoD3:360 ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 08:50PM

The LDS mormons use water, but the RLDS Restoration Banches, Community of Christ, the Church of Jesus Christ, and also the Church of Christ(tl) all use grape juice.

Not too sure about the other smaller mormon groups, though.

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Posted by: gemini ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 08:56PM

Plus, I've seen way too many little kids spill the water, so imagine all those grape juice stains!

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Posted by: nonldsmichigander ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 08:58PM

To JOD 3:360, CORRECTION-

The Church of Jesus Christ (WHQ: Monongahela, Pennsylvania) has ALWAYS used WINE for sacrament as the BOM commands its use. Never have we ever used grape juice.

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Posted by: lillium ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 09:53PM

Cutlerite or Bickertonite?

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Posted by: JoD3:360 ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 10:35PM


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Posted by: Mrs. Estzerhaus ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 09:15PM

It's not because the church is cheep, or the deacons spill. It was believed the wine was being spiked by hallucinatory drugs that caused members to think they saw visions of angels. This was back in early church history!

People started finding out about the drugged wine, and insisted on using water.

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Posted by: goatsgotohell ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 09:44PM

According to D&C 89:5 they still use wine. Just like they still are polygamous. The profit may pick and choose the scriptures to obey, the members may turn off their brains and follow whatever the profit commands.

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Posted by: ExmoDad ( )
Date: March 25, 2012 01:20PM


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Posted by: Lostmypassword ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 10:29PM

Because no church owned company makes grape juice?

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Posted by: lillium ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 10:33PM

Or they're avoiding the appearance of evil?

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Posted by: nonldsmichigander ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 10:41PM

@ lillium: Bickerton organization.

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Posted by: lillium ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 10:58PM

Thanks. Checking wiki I see it's the branch that followed Sidney Rigdon. Your President looks decades younger than any COJCOLDS has had since Brigham Young. ;-) I'll have to read up more later.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2012 11:00PM by lillium.

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Posted by: nonldsmichigander ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 10:52PM

Partaking of the flesh and blood of 'One Who is Alive Forevermore', aka, Jesus Christ, is not cannibalism (eating the flesh and blood of one who is dead). It is akin to receiving a Spirit-filled blood transfusion or Spirit-filled IV nutrients.

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Posted by: runningyogi ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 11:01PM

So that Members will know that it is not cool aid!

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Posted by: lostinutah ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 11:12PM

The Christain cult is really weird when you stand back and look at what's really gpoing on - drinking blood and eatng flesh, and I don't give a damn if it's someone supposedly dead or alive, it's effing disgusting. And to hell saying it's just symbolism, it's weird and disgusting symbolism. And what's with the obsession with the torture instrument - the cross? Yeah right, more flippin symbolism, to remind you that this dude was tortured and died for your sins? Sins that were created by the religion in the first place?? How can a baby be sinful?

As weird as they are, at least the Mos don't wear crosses.

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Posted by: nonldsmichigander ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 11:27PM

@ lostinutah,
The BOM says that ALL little children (including babies) are alive in Christ and have absolutely no sin whatsoever. This is their condition up to their age of accountability which we believe is somewhere in the teenage years.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2012 06:20PM by nonldsmichigander.

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Posted by: nonldsmichigander ( )
Date: March 25, 2012 06:30PM

Today we partook of some of the best white bread (always without the crust and only on a crystal tray) and best red wine (from concord grapes and only in one crystal cup). Only the very best for the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper because God gave His Best for us - His Only Begotten Son.

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Posted by: delt1995 ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 11:44PM

UNheated grape juice eventually ferments into wine; which would prove Jesus and the Apostles all drank wine, and had now Words of Wisdom!

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 11:51PM

Mix it with vodka and tonic water and ya get a "Purple Jesus"...yum...

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Posted by: amos2 ( )
Date: March 24, 2012 11:53PM

(D&C 27:2)

Sheesh, amateurs.

This is one of those how-many-angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin arguments.

The sacrament is moot. Drink wine. Drink water. Drink grape juice, drink Kool-Aid, drink holy water blessed in Rome, drink Perrier, drink...

...it's bull sh1t no matter what you drink. Wine included.

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Posted by: Tabula Rasa ( )
Date: March 25, 2012 08:28AM

It's symbolic! (pfffttt...)

Ron

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Posted by: angelina5 ( )
Date: March 25, 2012 09:41AM

Because it has the apearance of evil.

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Posted by: southern ( )
Date: March 25, 2012 04:44PM

I don't know all the Mormon lingo, what does it mean to have the appearance of evil? How can grape juice appear evil? Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm just puzzled

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Posted by: angelina5 ( )
Date: March 25, 2012 06:59PM

It looks like wine, which is *evil*. Silly shenanigans!

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Posted by: Kyle ( )
Date: March 25, 2012 03:42PM

seriously though.. it is gross the way they just use regular tap water. Disgusting... really. Can't they at least use bottled or purified water? And seems like it's a rule to find the cheapest and the least healthy bread they can find. And this is the way the treat what is supposedly to be a very sacred act to them? As in many Mormon ways.. it's makes no sense.

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Posted by: blindmag ( )
Date: March 25, 2012 05:45PM

I was told it was to do with the appreance of evil.

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Posted by: Bluebonnet ( )
Date: March 25, 2012 06:43PM

juice and think it is wine... kinda silly but oh well!

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Posted by: lillium ( )
Date: March 25, 2012 06:48PM

Yep the same reason you shouldn't go to Starbucks to get some hot chocolate. People might see you and assume you're drinking coffee.

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