"In 1938 Richard R. Lyman, then president of the European missions [and also a member of the Quourm of the Twelve Apostles], reported in general conference that the missionaries lived by the twelfth article of faith ['We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law'], adding: 'They refrain from discussing government or governmental policies and they are all instructed positively not to participate in the politics of the countries where they labor. They are sent forth to give purpose to living, to improve the condition of the present and to inspire in the hearts of the people hope for the future.'"
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*Interesting historical foonote regarding obedient Mormon foot soldier/Apostle/European mission president Richard R. Lyman--

Lyman essentially told his LDS General Conference audience to obediently follow the Nazis, per Mormon Church doctrine

(see Richard R. Lyman, "Conference Report," October 1938, p. 111, as cited by Jessie L. Embry, "Deliverer or Oppressor: Missionaries’ Views of Hitler during the 1930s," no. 3, fn 77, in "Regional Studies in Latter-day Saint Church History: Europe," ed. Donald Q. Cannon and Brent L. Top [Provo, Utah: Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University, 2003], pp. 47–63, at: http://rsc.byu.edu/archived/regional-studies-latter-day-saint-church-history-europe/3-deliverer-or-oppressor-missionari)


Yet Lyman himself was eventually excommunicated for not following Mormon Church rules:

"In 1943, the First Presidency discovered that Lyman was cohabitating with a woman other than his legal wife. As it turned out, in 1925 Lyman had begun a relationship which he defined as a polygamous marriage. Unable to trust anyone else to officiate, Elder Lyman and the woman exchanged vows secretly.

"Despite the fact that both Lyman and the woman were in their seventies, Lyman was excommunicated on November 12, 1943 at age 73. The Quorum of the Twelve provided the newspapers with a one-sentence announcement, stating that the ground for excommunication was violation of the Christian law of chastity, even though many believe the real reason was his practice of post-Manifesto polygamy.

"For years after his excommunication, some apostles worried that Apostle Lyman might join the Mormon [polygamous] fundamentalist movement.

"Later, he returned to the [Mormon] church through rebaptism on October 27, 1954."

("Biography of Richard Lyman - LDS Leader," in "Short Biographies," at: http://www.short-biographies.com/biographies/RichardLyman.html)



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Yeah, but without mishies in pre-war Germany we wouldn't have 'Saints and Soldiers'!

And 'S and S: The Void', which is actually pretty cool.

Sorry, wait. What was this thread about?

Hahaha pretty good soundtrack too

Did Apostle Lyman's wife approve of his mistress? Was she exed also? Did his wife leave him? Did the mistress leave him? Did the wife or mistress die? At age 84 was he too old to get a Boner so was it all OK?

So many questions. Did Apostle Lyman get to keep his "living allowance"?

What was wrong with Lyman having a secret marriage he preformed himself? The prophet Joseph Smith did a few of those himself.

Today's article on the subject.

http://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/2017/02/16/lds-doctrine-leaves-potential-eternal-polygamy/97953900/

Lyman believed he was living the law of plural marriage. He was married to Amy Bowen Lyman, who was the daughter of another apostle. Once the Lymans had their children, Amy suggested a path of celibacy. Richard, not so much. So he took a second wife, as his ancestors had done previously.

Speaking of keeping it in the family, the Lyman's daughter married famed MoTab organist, Alexander Schreiner.

Reproductive organs.

So agree with the post that he was just following in the footsteps of founder MormonCult sleazy Joe.

Hell, he should have been exalted for his actions and given the second annointing. What's wrong with these guys?

is/was there Any ambiguities or loopholes in the anti-bigamy - anti-polygamy law(s)?

we all know how sleazy people love to take advantage of those, Correct?


O & btw, was his 'plural marriage' done in the mish field (example to other mishs!) or in the U.S.


details, details!

Fascinating....thank you for sharing this :)

Lyman lived in the same ward as McKay. They would occasionally attend at the same time. Lyman was very quiet. He would always attend with a woman. Strange times and a strange man.