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Posted by: Brethren,adieu ( )
Date: September 21, 2012 06:12PM


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Posted by: Itzpapalotl ( )
Date: September 21, 2012 06:14PM

Isn't this the second fakey fake Jesus "artifact" to be on the news in the last year?

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Posted by: lostinutah ( )
Date: September 21, 2012 06:22PM

Well, Jeezus, I feel bad for the guy. I had hoped it was true. He must've been one messed up dude that no one would marry him, poor bastard.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: September 21, 2012 08:30PM

That's one scholar's opinion. Other experts in the Coptic language and in papyri have signed off on it.

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Posted by: StillAnon ( )
Date: September 21, 2012 10:57PM

Anybody seen Mark Hoffman lately?

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Posted by: anagrammy ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 01:06AM

If it was jailhouse papyri, we have their man...


Ana

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Posted by: lulu ( )
Date: September 21, 2012 11:20PM

Document might be fake but no one claimed that it proved that Jesus was married.

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Posted by: tevai not logged in ( )
Date: September 21, 2012 11:23PM

From the Jewish standpoint, the problem with "Jesus"-the-NOT-married has always been that, according to the Christian New Testament, he was addressed as "rabbi." According to traditional Jewish law, rabbis are REQUIRED to be married--and back then especially--would be expected to be fathers of offspring.

In more contemporary times (the last couple of hundred years), sometimes the title "rabbi" has been informally--and, MUCH more recently--formally conferred on males who were not married and/or were not fathers of offspring...and in some, very limited instances, informally on females who had attained great and insightful learning, or (in the last thirty years or so) had been ordained as part of one of the modern, non-Orthodox, Jewish movements (Reform, Reconstructionist, Conservative, etc.).

But more than two thousand years ago, in the MOST traditional of Jewish communities? By Jewish knowledge and insight, anyone who was referred to as "rabbi," particularly in what were considered to be definitive accounts (Christian or not), would have been--at the very least--a married male, or that title would never have been applied.

This isn't definitive, and it's coming strictly from the perspective of those who are Jewish and/or Jewishly learned, but it's a very strong "opinion" nevertheless.

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Posted by: lulu ( )
Date: September 21, 2012 11:27PM

Happy New Year.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: September 21, 2012 11:44PM

I read the article and it seemed to be the opinion of one person. While I think there is a good chance the fragmant is a fake, I doubt the issue has been settled this quickly. Even if it is authentic it doesn't prove Jesus was married -particularly in view of its late date and even if Jesus was married it isn't exactly a make or break thing for Christianity. Some Christians would have to reshape their thinking, but for the most part, it wouldn't make that much of a difference.

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Posted by: kentish ( )
Date: September 21, 2012 11:51PM

Even if the document was a genuine ancient artifact, how does it prove that Jesus was married exactly?

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: September 21, 2012 11:57PM

Considering that it came 400 years later and is not in context, it doesn't. Why would someone who lived 400 years later know more about Jesus than someone who lived 30 or 40 years later? We don't know what point the author was trying to make or what context the remark was in. It is a pretty big leap, IMO

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Posted by: Brethren,adieu ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 12:52AM

My point is, it could be a genuinely ancient document, written by genuinely ancient people, who were genuinely forging a document in order to promote their own brand of christianity, which is what most of the New Testament is composed of. And it doesn't prove that Jesus was married.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 01:25AM

At least on expert made the same point.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 11:13AM

How does one prove that an imaginary character was married ?

Those republican smokescreen stories always make me chuckle as they distract people away from thinking about Mitt.

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Posted by: forbiddencokedrinker ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 11:17AM

Well, seeing how all the old documents about Jesus were fakes written by people who lived a hundred to two hundred years after the fact...

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 11:27AM

The Gospel of Mark dates back to about 70 A.D., which would have been roughly 40 years after Jesus's death. That could have been written by an eyewitness or based on eyewitness accounts. Ditto for the "Q" source (if you accept that) which is hypothesized to be a source of both the Gospel of Luke and the Gospel of Matthew.

Some (not all) of the material in the Gospel of Thomas could go back as early as 30-60 A.D.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/22/2012 07:14PM by summer.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 02:34PM

Agreed

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Posted by: lucky ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 02:37PM

so the mythological Jesus does not have a wife after all ?

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Posted by: Brethren,adieu ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 06:52PM

In fact, he can have as many wives as you want.

I hear Mark Hoffman is giving lessons.

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Posted by: ano ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 07:10PM

he was crucified because he had "too many wives".

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Posted by: ano ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 07:10PM

he was crucified because he had "too many wives".

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