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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 11:43PM

Bagged, Part 2:

I have been informed by a solid source that among the Mormon critics bashing reporter Jamie Reno and “The Daily Beast” for their commendable reporting on “MormonThink's” managing editor David Twede's upcoming excommunication trial (a trial connected to David's criticism of Romney and the LDS Church), is probably none other than chairman of the Mormon apologist group FAIR, John Lynch.

The solid sense is that the “John L.” buzzing around “The Daily Beast's” site like a rabidly-desperate Deseret honeybee is, in all likelihood, THAT John Lynch.

Certainly, “MormonThink” has been a big, fat burr umder FAIR's thin-skinned saddle, as is clear from FAIR's obsession with what shows up on MT's site:

(see, for instance, “Criticism of Mormonism/Websites/MormonThink/Polygamy,” on FAIR wiki, at: http://en.fairmormon.org/Criticism_of_Mormonism/Websites/MormonThink/Polygamy)


David, in his latest blog post on “Mormon.Think.com,” has called out FAIR as the Calilfornia-based apologetic club for the LDS Church that was behind the outting of David to the Mormon Church's Salt Lake City headquarters (which then notifed David's Orlando-area bishop and stake president, who then rapidly set up an excommunication hearing).

As David writes:

". . . [A]fter having some sleep, and now that the 'NY Times' article came out, I read statements by Scott Gordon, a Mormon apologist, that indicated he was behind turning me into the Church authorities. One of his statements has resolved me back to my original gut feeling--that this is probably in part about the LDS Church squelching my political speech. The reason is a little complex. Let me start with his particular quote from the NY Times:

“'It has nothing to do with Romney,' Mr. Gordon said. 'I know members very high up in the church who are voting for Obama.'

“'It’s about him posting on a blog that he was actively in there trying to subvert people’s beliefs in the L.D.S. Church,' Mr. Gordon said . . . '

"If you've read my 'The Mysteries of the Gospel' blog, you will know that the only case Gordon had against me was that I wrote about emailing with 'Pat' who I indicated was a questioning member. I wrote:

"'I decided to send Pat two links: The first link to 'Mormon Infographics' on the Book of Abraham, and a second one to FAIR’s explanation of one of the facsimiles.'

"Links included in this were:

http://www.mormoninfographics.com/search/label/Facsimile

http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Joseph_Smith_Papyri/Facsimiles/Facsimile_3


"The latter is directly from Scott Gordon's own group, FAIR. In other words, I gave someone information that FAIR wrote. I find it extremely unlikely that this is what got the LDS Salt Lake leaders' panties in a bunch. If that were true, Scott Gordon would also be called in for disciplinary court..”

(David Twede, quoted in “**MEDIA ALERT) 'War Worn': In an Open, Honest & Brave Acknowledgement, David Twede Says the Mormon Church Excommunication Court Against Him Is, In fact, Related to Mitt Romney**, by Steve Benson, “Recovery from Mormonism” board, 22 September 2012: at: http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,646928,646928#msg-646928)


David further fingers FAIR has the whistle-blowing lapdog for the Mormon Church in this post that he put up on RfM:

“I believe everyone involved from FAIR, the GAs and the stake leaders know clearly that using my Romney speech as the basis for excom would be a PR disaster. So you would never expect them to bring it up. Instead they will dance around anything they can find to halt the voices at 'MT.'

“My feeling is the timing is very suspicious.

“The interrogation mostly focused on why I hid my identity, at the 'MT.com' site where my only activity in the past week was about LDS political history. And they talked about my blog of which 3 of seven entries during that week were in fact about Romney. Specifics were not given. I asked what specifically was wrong with what I wrote, and I was told the tone and bias against the church was clear. The stake presidency never had the courage to really talk directly about specifics.

“On the other hand, Scott Gordon did attempt to side-track us by the following from the 'NYTimes' article.

"'Scott Gordon, president of the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research, an organization in Redding, Calif., that defends Mormon theology, said that he had forwarded materials posted by Mr. Twede to Church officials in Salt Lake City.'

“That FAIR outed me by name and sent my material to SLC officials I have no doubt. In fact, there is evidence it may not have been Gordon, initially, at least that spied. At least two other members of FAIR, acting as de-facto members of the Strengthening Members Committee had a hand in the activities surrounding these events.”

(“Re: The mormonthink fiasco *is* about Romney - Dave correct me if I'm wrong,” by David Twede, “Recovery from Mormonism” bulletin board, 22 September 2012, at: http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,646557,646711#msg-646711)


FAIR (courtesy of “John L.”--aka, John Lynch, FAIR's empty chair) has its fingerprints all over “The Daily Beast” website.

If you go to “The Daily Beast” site where Reno's story about David appears, you will observe in the commentary section how a certain “John L.” has been literally swarming the place with his criticism of Reno and his article.

(“Mormons Want to Excommunicate Romney Critic,” by Jamie Reno, 21 September 2012, at:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/21/mormons-want-to-excommunicate-romney-critic.html)

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Bagged, Part 1:

By the way, at one time FAIR's Chair, John Lynch, came to RfM under false pretenses, faking as if he was simply a sincere and inquiring individual, looking for peace, understanding and love in all the right places. He was eventually outted and banned from the board.

For RfM newbies, below is an account of Lynch's attempt to come to RfM dressed as a sheep in wolves' garments:

--All's FAIR in Uncovering Lying for the Lord: Remembering When FAIR's Chair John Lynch Came to RfM, Lied and Got Lynched (*Special Edited-In Bonus: Lynch's Private E-mails to Me)...

BACKGROUND ON LYNCH'S BUNGLED ATTEMPT AT BAITING

Chairman of the A#1 Apologetics Board for the Lord, John Lynch, came on RfM a few years back (cleverly, or so he apparently thought), during the time when I posted a series of back-channel exchanges which he and I had had (a series, by the way, which Lynch initiated by contacting me at my work after initially having posed a question to me on RfM.

Going off-board, he then began poking around under the guise of innocent inquiry which really wasn't so innocent, as further reading will reveal).

During those early e-mail exchanges, Lynch attempted to cover his connection to FAIR. Ultimately, however, when pressed, he was forced to admit whose water he was actually carrying: FAIR's LDS H20.

What a drip.
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WHAT STARTED THE SNIFFIN': LYNCH CONTACTS ME OFF-BOARD POSING AS A SIMPLE BELIEVING LATTER-SAINT WITH QUESTIONS, WHO JUST WANTS TO LEARN

Below are my e-mails back and forth with Lynch (the ones which he initiated back in October 2005 without revealing to me his true identity).

Please note his smooth-talking, disingenuous and ingratiating style, as he sought to ply me for information while covering his own tracks back to the FAIR lair.

--Lynch to me:

"Steve,

"I posted a question to you at the exmo boards, then got chastised for being a troll. Not true, just a TBM trying to learn. Figuring you might ignore me when that happened, I thought I would try my luck through the [Arizona] Republic (I did a google on Steve Benson Cartoon).

"My question was what happened with you leaving the [Mormon] church? The only thing I seem to recall was that it had something to do with Paul Dunn. I am not trying to harass you, but if can spare a few pings back and forth with e-mail, I am curious about your experiences.

"If you are uncomfortable having dialogue whith a TBM about this (I doubt it, as I have seen you skin others alive with your quick wit), no problem. If so, perhaps if you have published your story somewhere and can point me to it, I would appreciate it.

"Thanks for your time!

"John L."

(John Lynch to Steve Benson, 13 October, 2005)


--My reply to Lynch:

"Please follow the advice of Susan, given to you on the board."

(Steve Benson to John Lynch, 13 October 2005)


--Lynch to me:

"Steve,

"I will most likely leave the exmo boards alone, at least for a while, as I do not want to create ill will, and I really am there just to learn.

"However, I am interested in hearing what happened with you. I promise I wont argue, or even challenge you (unless that is what you want, as you seem to be up for a bit of quick witted banter from time to time <smile>). I really just want to listen, though.

"Because of your family, you have some unique perspectives. I would like you to share them with me. I am not going to try and convert you, as that is not my place. I won't even disagree, if that would bother you.

"But, I would like to ask you questions. I have read your exchanges with, quite honestly, some people that were no match for you (you clearly have a quick wit and sharp intellect).

"However, they said some pretty harsh stuff, so I know you are thick skinned. Why not indulge a few of my questions, if only to educate me?

"Besides, if I am wrong for being a TBM, this is a chance for you to teach me <grin>. At the very least, it is a chance to help me understand you (assuming you care to be understood).

"I sincerely hope to hear from you soon.

"Regards,

"John Lynch "

(John Lynch to Steve Benson, 14 October 2005)


--My reply to Lynch:

"My advice still stands."

(Steve Benson to John Lynch, 14 October 2005)


--Lynch to me:

"Fair enough, Mr. Benson.

"I suppose that sensitive feelings are often easily protected behind barbed remarks and humor, but are difficult to protect in moments of serious dialogue. You are a remarkably gifted individual from what I have seen. I venture to guess that much of your genius emenates from your pain (they often say that artistic genius is).

"While I was not a party to what caused it, I can see that my status and beliefs no doubt refresh your memory of it. I sincerely pray that the ghosts of anguish that haunt you from troubled times will somehow be relieved, and that you will find the recovery your presence on the exmo boards hints that you seek.

"If you ever become willing to share your experience, if even to vent in anger, I will be a willing, safe, and non-judgmental ear.

"Kindest regards,

"John L."

(John Lynch to Steve Benson, 14 October 2005)
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When I posted Latter-day Lynch's e-mails on RfM, a series of behind-the-scenes investigations began more earnestly--ones bent on discovering the full identity of this "John Lynch" who had described himself to me as being "just a TBM" who had come to RfM merely "trying to learn."

Uh-huh.

Trouble for Lynch was, it wasn't that simple or that straight-forward.

Critical to unmasking this Latter-day Lone and Lying Ranger Stranger Danger was the detective work of RfM poster/computer whiz Tyson Dunn.

But Admin was quite aware at the time that Lynch was being deceptive, as well as knowingly violating the purpose and perimeter of the RfM forum.

As RfM Admininstrator Susan I/S notes:

"There is one other point to this: He [Lynch] knew this was not his room. We have made it very clear for MANY years this is an apologist-FREE zone. There is no way in hell he didn't know that. And that was exactly why he didn't say anything about who he really was.

". . . [T]hey [Lynch's posts on RfM] ran along the lines of, 'Oh, shucks, I just want to understand all'yall. In my job I need to relate to ex-Mos."

("There is one more point to this," posted by "Susan I/S," RfM Administrator, on "Recovery from Mormonism" bulletin board, 1 September 2011, 10:09 p.m., original emphasis)


To make a long story short on the digging that resulted in Lynch digging his own grave here, Tyson (along with help from other RfM posters, as well as from Admin) helped track the RfM Lynch to San Jose, California.

Indeed, this Lynched dude had reportedly identified himself as living in the "San Jose, CA mission," plus there was further identifying information provided courtesy of a BYU website, where a 2001 FAIR news update noted and quoted the following:

"Leaders of the Foundation of Apologetic Information and Research [FAIR] were at BYU on Jan. 16 and 17 in an effort to expand their organization.

"FAIR is an organization devoted to defending criticism of doctrine, practices and beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

"During their visit, President Scott Gordon [the same Scot Gordon referred to by David Twede] and Chairman John Lynch, both from California, made plans for an upcoming FAIR convention in Utah Valley this August and met with BYU faculty members.

"They also expressed a desire for articles submitted by BYU faculty, graduate and undergraduate students. . . .

"FAIR looks to affirm faith, not to destroy detractors," Lynch said. 'We want to be a resource for people to find answers.'

"Much of the material providing answers to anti-LDS literature, however, is often too scholarly for the lay member to easily understand, Lynch said.

"FAIR hopes to target this audience of lay members with articles that are less difficult to understand.

"We want to sift through scholarly works to get easily digestible, but still scholarly articles,' Lynch said."

("Leaders of FAIR organization seek BYU involvement," by Kathryn Richard (NewsNet staff writer), 18 January 2001, on "BYU NewsNet: Brigham Young University")

The trail was getting hotter.
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RFM EATS LYNCH'S LUNCH

Below is a summary of how Lynch eventually got himself lassoed on RfM, as described by a reader in John Dehlin's "Mormon Stories" commmentary section:

"[FAIR's Chairman John Lynch] conveniently forgot to mention during an hour-long podcast [on the 'Mormon Stories'] and in my opinion, took advantage of [the host's nice, congenial nature. I would not have him back on your show unless he agrees to answer questions about his behavior this past week on RfM and with Steve Benson in particular and why he omitted these facts.

"He used the same practice that the Mormon Church uses by revealing his name, but not who he really was or what his intentions really were. I guess those of us over on RfM, were not ready for the 'meat,' so he just gave us the 'milk,' his name that is.

"He lied to everyone and pretended to be somebody that he wasn't. He never told us that he was on the board at FAIR. Tyson Dunn, a poster on RfM, did some homework and discovered who John Lynch was and then revealed it to all the world.

"Finally, John Lynch revealed himself for who he really was, but only after he was caught. He then claimed that he never lied or was dishonest because he gave his real name, etc. All a joke in my opinion, just like him and his bogus organization.

"They should be renamed the 'CDFAIR.' He is a lying, dishonest guy that pretends to be an upright good guy. Remember, 'beware of the evil behind the smiling eyes!!' This clearly applies to John and his so-called organization that supposedly has no affiliation whatsoever with the Mormon Church. HA HA HA!! GOOD ONE!!

"He also lied when he said that he had tried to talk to Steve Benson and didn't even know where or how to find him. The 'real truth' is that he did have direct contact with Steve Benson all week long and emailed him through his email at the 'Arizona Republic.'

"They exchanged many e-mails back and forth as John Lynch continued to lie and conceal his true identity. Everybody go on over to RfM and type 'John Lynch' on the chat board search and you can read all about what I'm saying. It was like a soap opera over there . . . with this clown, AKA John Lynch. . . .

"What's amazing is that John Lynch wouldn't leave Steve Benson alone, even after he had asked him, politely and nicely, 3-4 times, to please leave him alone!! He just couldn't get the message. He kept writing more emails and more, again, as he lied about who he really was.

"He was like a typical Mormon Missionary and he wouldn't leave him alone and kept coming back and back again. Steve shared the personal e-mail correspondence with all of is and it is also over on RFM for those that want to read it all.

"Anyway, John D, this is the true character of your guest John Lynch. I just felt that everyone should know what his tactics are and how he functions in his private life. He is a lying, deceitful apologetic for the Mormon Church, period!! He's one of their hacks, plain and simple!!

"He does their dirty work so that they don't have to. His words indeed had no value once we all knew that he had been posting under false pretenses and LYING about who he really was.

"Besides, even if we knew who he was, his words had no value anyway. Most of us over there are cured of our Cognitive Dissonance while he is still deep in it and getting deeper everyday.

"He expected us to allow him on our board, asking probing questions, while at the same time, FAIR, his beloved organization where he sits on the board, would never and does not ever allow us EXMOS the same courtesy. . . . Bets anyone? I'd be gone in a heartbeat. I may just do it for fun and report back. We'll see how Mr. John Lynch treats us on his home turf.

"When we even try to do that over there, what he did on RfM, we are banned and our responses or posts are quickly deleted. John Lynch is a complete hypocrite as is his pathetic organization. John claimed to be an honest, active member of the Mormon Church but never disclosed who he represented. And people wonder why the Mormon Church has so many problems and why us EXMOS can't leave it alone. It appears that in this case, he couldn't leave us alone, doesn't it?

"Here was the first post by Mr. John Lynch over on RfM:

"'Subject: What are the rules?
'Date: Oct 11 [2005] 19:53
'Author: John Lynch . . .

"'My name is John Lynch. I understand that this is not a forum for the "defense of "the faith." However, I want to know under what circumstances I can participate. Am I allowed to ask questions? I have no desire to 'lurk' or otherwise hide my motives. I sincerely desire to understand the experiences of those that leave the church. I am an active member, with no personal crisis of faith I am dealing with.

"'Regards,

"'John L.'

"Did everyone catch that? He said, 'I have no desire to "lurk" or otherwise hide my motives.' Well, if that's the case, then maybe you should have told us who you were, John Lynch from the FAIR board, eh? I'm sorry John D, that this is so long but I felt that the truth needed to be told and exposed. This guy is a phony and a fraud and has no credibility whatsoever!!"

("Mormon Stories #007: 'Inside the Mind of a Mormon Apologist, Part 1,'" posted by "Samuel," 22 October 2005, at:
http://mormonstories.org/?p=29, original emphasis)


Giving primary credit where primary credit is due, RfMer "SL Cabbie" described Lynch's involuntary coming-out party on RfM this way:

"Tyson [Dunn] was the one who hung Lynch's scalp from his computer monitor."

("Tyson Was the One Who Hung . . .," post by "SL Cabbie," on "Recovery from Mormonism" bulletin board, 30 January 2011, at: http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,100176,100176)


Having been caught red-handed, Lynch's Mormon mission--not to mention his outting on this board as FAIR's Chair--has been described in this context:

"John Lynch is a critical member involved in the behind-the-scenes operations of the organization known as FAIR. Though he has tended to avoid the limelight, he's nonetheless figured into the world of Mopologetics in a number of significant ways. For example, he has been seen from time to time 'cruising' on RfM, oftentimes doling out what some posters characterized as 'condescension.'"

("The Encyclopedia of Moapolegetics," under "John Lynch: FAIR's Man Behind the Curtain," 1 March 2011)
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HUNG OUT TO DRY, LYNCH TRIES TO WRIGGLE OUT OF HIS LIE OF OMISSION

Having been pulled out into the sunlight against his will, Lynch later confessed to his fellow FAIR faithful his attempted undercover operation behind RfM's enemy lines (doing so in typical "poor-persecuted-me" spinmeister fashion that those having had any experience with schooled Mormon apologists have come to expect).

Lynch gave this selective version of events:

"A few years ago, I made a foray onto a message board for individuals who have left the Church. I was open in my identity both by name and also regarding my status as a full, believing member ('TBM' as they call us). I went there looking to learn, hoping that I might somehow gain some insight that would help us with people who have floundered in their faith. What I failed to do was identify my association with FAIR.

"I tried engaging in an email exchange with Steven Benson, grandson to President Benson and a nationally recognized cartoonist who famously left the Church. The result was Steve employing his journalistic skills and 'outing' me as a FAIR board member. I was banished and ridiculed as a 'troll' as if I was someone spying on their open message board with a hidden identity. But there were a few who witnessed my sincere and respectful efforts approached me independently and offered to share their experiences. . . .

"In the end, my foray amongst the disaffected ended in my banishment, not because of my affiliation with FAIR, but because the moderators felt I had violated a trust by not disclosing this information up front. In hindsight, I guess this should have been expected. Still, my kind comportment and respectful dialogue allowed me some choice opportunities to exchange thoughts and ideas with some few who could see that I was not there for anything other than sincere reasons. My lesson was reinforced, and I learned that the virtues of charity and patience can indeed create a dominion of influence where one would not have otherwise existed.

"What I learned was enlightening. I discovered that most who leave the church and associate on that web site do so because they perceive some violation of trust occurred. Perhaps there was a teaching they held that they found out to be false, and they could no longer trust a long time mentor to whom they had anchored their testimony. Perhaps the failings of a member created an offense, and the person could not reconcile their expectations with reality. When it is a leader that disappoints, it seems the sting is so much the greater. Perhaps they found an unflattering piece of history on the Church (ironically almost always directly or indirectly through some Church or Church-sponsored source), and they feel that the truth had not been told them. In all cases, the issue was that somehow they had an unmet expectation that resulted in feeling a trust they had granted someone or something had been violated."


While applauding what one Lynch critic described as Lynch's "sincere attempt to seek understanding" (NOT!), this same critic (RfM poster "Craig P@xton") pointed out to Lynch that sneak attacks launched against RfM by Mormonism's trained testifiers are neither condoned nor constructive:

" . . . I . . . understand how your failure to fully disclose your participation here at FAIR undermined the intent of your mission.

"The so-called disaffected feel the deepest sense of betrayal from LDS leadership. We placed the greatest trust in these leaders, only to discover that we had--to put it kindly--been fed a Disney version of reality. Ironically, the so-called anti-Mormon crowd actually became more credible than our own LDS leaders.

"Your failure to fully disclose your background played into those feelings of abuse and betrayal. You only reconfirmed that representatives from your camp cannot be fully trusted. I think you blew a real opportunity to build a bridge of understanding."

(John Lynch, "Forays Amongst the Disaffected," on "FAIR BLOG: Defending Mormonism," 13 July 2009; and "Cr@ig P@xton Says," on "FAIR BLOG: Defending Mormonism," July 2009, both at: http://www.fairblog.org/2009/07/13/forays-amongst-the-disaffected-2/)


One of RfM's favorite posters has tried to cut Lynch some slack. Tal Bachman, in observing how nice Lynch was to him, noted what appears to be Lynch's modus operandi: fishing around for certain ex-Mormons to have a "friendly" chat with.

Tal writes:

"I've gotten e-mails from people all over the world asking me about the [Mormon] church, many of whom, after some conversation, have come to acknowledge the truth (although some have decided to stay in the church for social or family reasons).

"I've gotten emails from 'official' and amateur Mormon apologists, who all (I found) rely on the same mind games I used to play on myself to keep believing.

"Incidentally, the only one of these guys who seemed like a decent guy was John Lynch from FAIR. I know others on here have a different opinion, but that was my experience. I understand he is still doing his best to defend Joseph's untrue claims, and he may always do this; even under the most optimal circumstances, you don't just come to see that your entire life was built on a fraud in a couple of weeks, or months, or even years. Sometimes it takes a long, long time, if it happens at all. It is especially hard once you've taken a public stand; not because you consciously don't want to 'lose face,' but (I think) because largely unconscious forces, seeking to protect us from pain, loss of status, etc., make it almost impossible to see what's really there."

(Tal Bachman, "The Beginning Of A Long Goodbye," 24 July 2006)


Tal is certainly right on one thing: Lynch lost face, big-time, when he tried to creep on to RfM under a false face. (Recall Lynch's cooing, deceptive assurances given here on RfM: "Am I allowed to ask questions? I have no desire to 'lurk' or otherwise hide my motives").

Door #3, Brother Lynch: Telestial Kingdomville, where the liars hang out.

And RfM poster "Craig P@xton" is right, as well. Earth to Lynch: "[Y]ou blew a real opportunity to build a bridge of understanding."

Heh. He sure as hell did.

It would help if Lynch would understand--and then do--what Mormons are taught not to understand and not to do: namely, to understand the truth and then to tell it.

What a concept.

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It would also help if Lynch would understand that he can't tramp around in my emails, around RfM or around "The Daily Beast" as "John L." It has that certain smell.

What a slow learner. :)



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Posted by: thingsithink ( )
Date: September 23, 2012 01:30AM

It seems very possible that John Lynch does not know he is lying. That may sound ridiculous, but it's not any more insane than believing Joseph Smith put a rock in his hat and that God revealed scripture through the rock.

He's probably in such a sick state of mind that his actions are all about self-preservation. The typical mormon may not suffer as deeply as Lynch, but he's been exposed to the truth about mormonism, so he's probably just crumbling and doing his best to hold on.

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Posted by: munchybotaz ( )
Date: September 23, 2012 03:50AM

making his outfit look bad to a whole new audience that didn't already know it's ridiculous.

I'm not much of a commenter myself, because it's too annoying wading through the sea of tools and d-bags on most sites. Whatever I say, I'll probably get flamed by a bunch of knuckle-dragging basement dwellers who don't get enough attention in real life.

So here comes the usual horde of Mormon faith defenders, saying the same old things that always translate to, "Yes, I am brainwashed and the Mormon church is a cult." Yawn. I'd almost rather engage the knuckle draggers.



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Posted by: top ( )
Date: September 23, 2012 01:01PM


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Posted by: charles, buddhist punk ( )
Date: September 23, 2012 02:58AM

John Lynch isn't the only one trolling The Daily Beast. I would love to know who "Petra" is, really. Such a dutiful TBM apologist wanna be. Thanks for outing Lynch, Steve. He shut up real quick (for now).

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Posted by: Youngandfree ( )
Date: September 23, 2012 03:56AM

Thank you very much for keeping the community here informed Steve Benson. :D You rock! Though I'm sure you already knew that. I admire your great knowledge.

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Posted by: mormonhypocrisy ( )
Date: September 23, 2012 05:35AM

Was James T. Ready ever excommunicated?
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2010-12-16/news/webline/

Where was John Lynch and Scott Gordon to report his behavior to Salt Lake?

He was in the news. Was he still Mormon?
http://www.salon.com/2010/07/17/us_neo_nazi_patrols/

Why didn't Mormonism help prevent the horrible ending?
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/02/11507220-armored-gunman-4-people-dead-in-arizona-shooting?lite

David is nothing like Ready. Why was FAIR so interested in David?

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Posted by: Nancy Rigdon ( )
Date: September 23, 2012 08:13AM

LOL.

In response to one of my comments, 'JohnL' tells everyone to go to FAIR if they want information about any mormon issues.

To which I responded (paraphrasing b/c I wrote so many responses can't remember them all)

"Yes, please go to FAIR, everyone. There you will learn that tapirs are horses that can pull chariots that are really sleds."

Good times.

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Posted by: scooter ( )
Date: September 23, 2012 10:09AM

I never have an opportunity to go tete a tete with Danites.

I imagine it's like when army bases in Alaska had week-long herds of caribou cross their path and they mowed them down with automatic weapons. this was back in the '60's.

exhilarating bloodsport.

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Posted by: caedmon ( )
Date: September 23, 2012 09:55AM

How ironic that one of the accusations made against Twede is that he 'hid' his identity.

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Posted by: David Twede ( )
Date: September 23, 2012 09:58AM

During my "interview", the stake presidency and bishop spent a disproportionate amount of time asking me about the other members of M.T. and about why we hide our identities. However, I was "reported to be in apostasy" according to my letter, and when I asked the local leaders how they came to learn my identity, they would only say they were inspired. We now see Gordon has indicated he sent the information.

How did Gordon get my name? I don't know him. I have it on good word that someone who knew me sent my information to another FAIR member named Tyler Livingston. Likewise, as soon as my disciplinary council went public and I made an attempt at reconciliation by vacating my blog, it was taken over by another FAIR member Trevor Holyoak (sic?). Lastly, Steve Benson is reporting here (thanks, Steve!) that another member of FAIR John Lynch is attempting a smear on me across the internet.

What I see here is a coordinated campaign by FAIR from top down to get me and the rest of MormonThink.com contributors. Perhaps they also belong to the Strengthening Church Members Committee that Holland has acknowledged once existed. It still does, we believe.

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Posted by: WalkonKing ( )
Date: September 23, 2012 01:29PM

JohnL said I post here all the time...lol

That is not true but I will post now saying.... Hi John Lynch!

It was nice showing the world you are a lying tool for he mormon cult.

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Posted by: Nancy Rigdon ( )
Date: September 23, 2012 01:37PM

Hey! Glad you are here. I recognize your name from the comments on DB. That was great fun, wasn't it?

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Posted by: WalkonKing ( )
Date: September 23, 2012 02:05PM

Nancy you did a great job on DB. Poor John Lynch and Petra really came off looking poorly.

At last look the article had 4k + likes which means many times more then that has read it. People like JohnL and Petra do not understand why people just do not let the church mistreat the members.

It is not OK for them to come after a person like David Tweede who has done nothing that John Delhin has not done many times over on the exact same subjects.

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Posted by: jong1064 ( )
Date: September 23, 2012 01:37PM

So, is it just me, or does FAIR think that if they take down MT, everyone will start to look to them for answers during this Mormon Moment?

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Posted by: ozpoof ( )
Date: September 23, 2012 01:46PM

Not even the 15 will stand behind the garbage spewed by FAIR or any other apologist group. They have zero credibility and do not speak for the CULT.

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