:) Of course he didn't call it self-abuse. (I'm not in the morridor)
I guess that's one of the reasons why Mormons aren't allowed to get vasectomies. The wife is definitely is not down to help me out that often, so I'm forced to take matters into my own hands. Possibly have to commit "gasp" self-abuse to follow his orders and flush out my pipes.
Were you ever told to not get a vasectomy as a Mormon? I've only met one active member that got one and he told me that on the down low.
As an exmo, it feels pretty empowering to get one.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/19/2012 08:51AM by Delightsome White Boy.

no, it looks like the church is kind of leaving these kinds of things in the hands of the people, unlike in the past. I am still active for family reasons and I can count 10 of my friends in the church,off the top of my head, who are all active, that have gotten snipped, including me. I just didnt tell any church authority about it because it's none of their business.

It would be kind of hard to do all that masturbating without porn so you may need to view some of that too.

When I was a kid, President Kimball would refer to vasectomies as "mutilation" and a dreadful sin. Not so much anymore. After my wife's last pregnancy, which was difficult and led to a pretty dicey delivery, we decided to get a vasectomy. It never occurred to either of us to talk to the bishop about it. The church has pretty much left that to couples, which is a positive development.

I think, that in the current bishop manual, it says after prayerful consideration and counseling with the bishop that it may be advised in some cases. Something like that. No one is bothering to do the praying and counseling any more because it's none of anyone's damn business besides the couple and their doctors.

Okay, old joke, but then your claims stretches credulity... Of course I'm not a doctor, but I did neuter a troll here last night...

A bit too much information if it's true...

I'm not positive this is the most current manual, but this was the policy at least until the newest manual came out.

"The Church strongly discourages surgical sterilization as an elective form of birth control. It should be considered only if (1) medical conditions seriously jeopardize life or health or (2) birth defects or serious trauma have rendered a person mentally incompetent and not responsible for his or her actions. Such conditions must be determined by competent medical judgment and in accordance with law. Even then, the persons responsible for this decision should consult with each other and with their bishop and should receive divine confirmation of their decision through prayer."

In churchspeak, "strongly discourages" really means " forbids".

Piss off cult. It's not your body.

Where did they get the 20 figure? That's only 3.33 wanks a week. Poor effort.

Now 20 in a week, that would be impressive. (On Sunday you rest--only twice on that day).

Did he tell you you would surely die if you did not obey his command?

My husband got one before he and his ex wife converted. Then he got a reversal after he married me.

Is there any other form of long term male birth control that doesn't involve getting snipped?

I'm not sure I am done having children, but I haven't found anyone that I want to have a child with as of yet.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/19/2012 09:35AM by forbiddencokedrinker.

20 times in 6 weeks? I don't think that is enough. You need to lengthen your stride.

You can never go wrong by going the extra mile on these things. You should be able to knock out the 20 times thing in just a few days if you are diligent enough.

Delightsome White Boy Wrote:
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> :) Of course he didn't call it self-abuse. (I'm
> not in the morridor)
> I guess that's one of the reasons why Mormons
> aren't allowed to get vasectomies. The wife is
> definitely is not down to help me out that often,
> so I'm forced to take matters into my own hands.
> Possibly have to commit "gasp" self-abuse to
> follow his orders and flush out my pipes.
> Were you ever told to not get a vasectomy as a
> Mormon? I've only met one active member that got
> one and he told me that on the down low.
> As an exmo, it feels pretty empowering to get one.

I had a vasectomy done a few years back. I was not aware it was frowned upon by the Mormon community. My TBM asked me to have it done (she has health issues) and I obliged. We did not consult any church authorities before having it done.

My husband was scheduled to have it done (appointment made, meds already dispensed) and it was casually brought up in a conversation with his aunt and uncle who raised him. They told him the church strongly discourages it, that it says so in the CHI, and he shouldn't do it. My husband immediately cancelled his doctors appointment. :(

It makes me so angry just to think about it!

My wife was already off the pill when I got my wings clipped, so I was in a big hurry. They told me 20 times or 6-8 weeks, then come in and take the test to confirm sterility. There was no way I was gonna wear a condom with my wife, or wait 6
8 weeks. So I managed 20 times in about 3 weeks. Trust me, it can be done. My wife wasn't involved every time, because, well, a bird in the hand is worth two from the bush, if you know what I mean.
The awkward part was when she asked me how I managed to ejaculate so many times in such a short time period. I just shook my head, and said, "You don't want to know. All you need to know is that it didn't involve other women."

I had one of those whilst still a member.
It was frowned upon but me and the signo forged right on with it.

The nurse said I had to ejaculate 20 times in six weeks to, but added that, for a small fee, she would tell my signo thirty times...!

My (ex)sister-in-law and her hubby were going through some fertility testing and they told her to bring in a sample from her husband. She took in a urine sample (hubby is a weirdo too). I would love to have been a mouse in the corner listening to the nurses laugh about that one. When they called her and explained that she needed a semen sample she asked how she was supposed to get that. They told her that her husband would know and explained a little to her. She was mortified. It meant hubby would have to... you know... when he had NEVER done that before. And she was telling everyone that story. Even her own crazyass TBM family was laughing about how naive she was.

I've never heard anything discouraging Mormons from getting vasectomies.

It's in the Bishop's handbook. See my quote above.

Is getting snipped awful?

I don't feel like it's my place to make DH do it, since it's his, uh, equipment, but I've been on the pill for a little over 10 years and it's definitely messing with me in little annoying ways (besides being worried about the scarier health risks)

It wasn't pleasant when I had it done. It looked like and felt they'd banged two bricks together to do the deed.

My husband said it was a piece of cake, except for when he disobeyed doctors orders and went to help his sister give birth which involved some effort or straining on his part somehow... Gave him a cystocele, which is quite painful!

But the procedure itself was not that bad, he says. Just follow doctor's orders and don't exert yourself too hard immediately afterwards. Hang out with a bag of iced peas and take it easy.

He never bothered to confirm it took, so when we met two years later, I was first excited, and then concerned and swiftly got him to submit a sample to the doctor.

ROFL -- enjoy following the Dr's orders!

We're thinking in about 3 years, when IUD warranty expires and we're both over 45, that DH will get the snip.

Any advice for the completely uninformed?

My advice is why wait? It was the best thing that happened to our marriage. Another piece of advice, have it done on a Friday, and take the weekend off, completely. Just stay in bed w/ a bag of frozen peas for a couple of days and you'll be fine.

Sure. Its been awhile since mine (1987). You first have to get a poodle hair cut the night before. The doc may even have him in on a consult before the appointment. No big deal.

The whole thing took 1/2 hour. I would definitely have the snip job done on a Friday which would give him two days to recover & get to work on Monday.

Hubby lays down on the table and the doc delivers a local. This is the most uncomfortable part. After a bit, you get another local on the other side and he snips the other vas. The doc talked to me the whole time and gave me his life history as a med student and in residency. He showed me the little bottle with about an <inch of vas X 2. Okaaaay, thanks.

Then its home with a bag of frozen peas if you so desire and have the DW be the nurse made while you cruise on the sofa for a day. No kids jumping on your lap while this is going on!!

That's it. A little discomfort but in my world, the wife no longer has to take the pill nor have the tubes tied which is much more invasive. Getting infertile also helps the sex life a little bit as there is no way to get preggers. I would do it again.

My husband was concerned about getting a vasectomy and discussed it with the SP. The SP said it was our decision and not to worry about having it done. He made no reference to the handbook advising against it. Ths SP lived in our ward, and was a really nice, sincere man.

I'm not surprised at this doctor's advice, because my doctor told me something similar. You gotta use it or lose it.

I've probably told this story before but we had a psycho stake president that lectured us on how members were getting married later and having less children and how it was unacceptable to the Lord. Then held up the chi at our ward conference (combined ph/Rs meeting) and said if any males have had or were even thinking about a vasectomy, they needed to meet with the bishop and start the repentance process. I'm not kidding. My dh and I walked out of that meeting.

Oh and my DH had a vasectomy 2 years ago and we actually know lots of TBMs who have had it done.