...or something titled like that in the subject line of a FB post of an extreme-TBM friend just caught my eye. Typically, I ignore these threads or if they really bug me, I hide them. This particular post I couldn't ignore because the premise of being modest was likened to maintaining women's rights. http://www.modestyclub.com/take-the-challenge/

I responded about the women's rights I would like that don't involve clothes I wear (and no, it's not about nudity, so don't go there). I talked about the right of feeling secure on the inside and not giving into guilt trips by being worried that someone might think differently of me because of my outer appearance.

Did you ever see a post like that and you just got this creepy enough feeling about little girls believing this crap and you just had to say something about it or not be able to sleep? Well, yeah, that was me just a moment ago. And because I couldn't leave well enough alone, I needed to post here as well. Thank you for listening and I hope everyone has a good night and feels secure in whatever they wear (or not) because they feel good about themselves on the inside.

ETA: I just added the link to the page for your reading pleasure.



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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! The Boys Pledge was just too effing good! I won't do ANY of those things--unless you play the Chinese restaurant fortune cookie game of adding "in bed" to the last one. Bunch of donkeys.

Girls have earned the right to be WHATEVER THEY WANT in all facets of their life. If they want to be a ho at the bar and a successful professional by day, they've earned that right too. Grow the eff up, holy rollers and Morgbots. You're 50 years too late. Society is further than you can comprehend.

...you actually got me reading beyond the home page and I came across this doozy before the boys' pledge (in bed):

"I am 15 years old. I like to play piano, sing, read, watch movies, babysit, and spend time with my family. I started the Modesty Club at my high school in South Pasadena in California in 2012. I noticed from elementary school to middle school and now in high school a lot of girls were dressing immodestly. I wanted to bring awareness and remembrance to value of modesty."

I don't want to harp on this kid too much but me feels he most likely wanted to indulge in "self harm" because of the immodest clothing girls were wearing. So by starting this modesty club, he can try to control how girls look (I loved wittyname's burka reference) so he won't need to, you know, shhhh, the m-word.

You always have to peruse the site in full to get a full appreciation of the brilliance these organizations possess.

That little factory is like a Venezulean oil refinery. Poor sonbitch.

Like a Venezuelan oil refinery? Oh my god.

Like always, toto... I aim to please!

But the person who started the website a girl The name is Saige and if you look at the pics and the media pages you'll see her. It's hard to a imagine a teenage boy starting such a club, even a super TBM one...

It was late last night when I read it and since I've only known boys named Sage, I wrongly assumed it was a boy.

So effing arrogant, makes me want to vomit. If these people want to dress in modest potato sacks, I say they should do what makes them happy. But to try to dictate what others wear, using some sort of religious nonsense mixed with flawed pop psychology about self esteem? They really need a few swift kicks up the backside of their baggy shapeless clothing. If they aren't satisfied dressing the way they are most comfortable, and are somehow offended at the sight of other people's style preferences, perhaps they should be given burkahs without the mesh eye panel, then they won't have to see offensive clothing (and if they bump into walls because they can't see, well, it might knock some sense into them).

Sometimes I really hate people.

And I just noticed the time and holy schamoly, what am I doing up so late on a work night? Actually, the first snow has me way too excited. But yeah. Need to go to bed.

Night all!

We are supposed to hang our heads in shame at the very fact we exist!

This is what bothers me so much about these sanctimonious types. They are not content to go to church, read their scriptures, and wear "modest" clothes that hide their sexuality. No, they have to push their beliefs on other people, and then get offended and indignant when others tell them to push off and mind their own business.

The best way I've heard this described it:

They know what is right, and what is right for everyone else.



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Great post! I am nice and comfy tonight in the little ightgown i always wanteydbbla!

Modesty is fine and I am all for it if it means dressing with respect for yourself, others and the situation. You don't dress the same way in a church or at PTA meeting as you do on the beach for instance, but Mormons make it all about knees, shoulders, bellies etc with little consideration that standards of modesty change in respect to time and location. What is modest here would not be modest in Saudi Arabia or in the Utah in pioneer times.It is so overdone and rule laden that it is ridiculous. Why not some general and occassional suggestions and then leave it up to individuals?

...as I've gotten older, I care less about what people wear or that I want guidelines for anyone. For myself, if I feel good in some clothes, I wear them. So yeah, "up to the individuals" is where I'm at, too.

Well, if I had a teenaged daughter, I wouldn't want her to dress like she was working the streets, but if she wanted to wear shorts, minis, a bikini or a tank top I wouldn't care within reason of course.As far as people I am not responsible for, I don't care so long as they aren't inciting a riot. LOL

...at giving my sister and I guilt trips about our clothing choices. I was fine in my own skin at home, but when we left the house, ooooh, we had to have a certain "look" for my mom's sake. I still rocked the boat, though, and wore what I liked but I didn't feel completely comfortable for a long time.

I tried to teach my kids to like their bodies and what they wore that was their choice. My 19-year-old daughter is more secure in her skin and could get away with the hooker look but chooses other clothing options.

Most of all, when we talk (she's away in college), I get to hear about what she's studying, who she's hanging out with, what they're interested in doing, and that she just voted mail-in ballot for the first time. These are the aspects I'm more interested in than what she's wearing (although she looks damn cute in anything). Mommy be proud.

I agree. I would only object if I had a daughter who was dressing a really sluttish manner. Showing some skin isn't necessarily immodest. There are so many factors that fo into it.



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Would Ann Romney be eligible for the club on the basis of her flashing her ungarmented upper thighs on TV?

this reminded me, Hubby came home last night and said when visiting a work office one of his collegues had a picture of Ann Romney on the wall, in slit skirt, cos he quite fancied her dressed like that!!!
Hubby thought amusing.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/pictures-video/ann-romney-through-the-years-pictures-20120828

ya gotta scroll thru a bit but..........there is a picture with bare thighs and bare shoulders!! :) oh the disgrace!

just puking!



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"Do you people ever plan on going to the beach? Even in a one piece...your shoulders and legs will be bare...i like the part where you pledge to be a better person...but it is not immodest to have your shoulders bared or even your thighs...daisy dukes might be considered too racy...but we are not living in the last century are we? I also noticed that the pledge for girls does not include...no inappropriate picture taking...you might want to address that!"

just emailing!

How about a pair of glasses that will add appropriate clothing? Sort of like real time photo shop. Or how about a helmet and suit that changes reality into the rated G virtual reality they want to live in?

If it's tight, it means I need to lose weight.

Ha ha - bingo. Weight gain is the only reason I worry about too tight clothing these days.

I remember when my mom commented on how she worried that I would "give the wrong impression" when I first wore a spaghetti strap top at age 18. It was on one of those lovely 90+ scorcher days in SLC. She was doubly horrified that I wasn't wearing a bra. Being closer to flat-chested than the opposite, I didn't think I needed one. I also felt visible bra straps would be too tacky (for my personal comfort) than no bra.

She fussed and worried until I commented that anybody - mormon or not - who would make, petty, snap, negative judgments about me based on something as trivial as clothing wasn't going to be the kind of person I'd want to associate with in the first place.

She never brought up the subject again.

That said, I'll admit I always do a double take when I see a girl who seems barely in junior high tottering around in achilles-killing "stripper" pumps. Not that I have a judgment about the girl at all, but it always reminds me that we live in a culture with a high degree of pressure to conform to hyper-sexualized norms of feminine 'beauty'.

You and I must have been on the same modesty wavelength today..

...while perusing threads on the board. Funny, huh?

Definitely funny :)

What is "The moral code of women."

Is it a secret? Who decided what it was? Is it different for mormon women and regular women?

This is why the cult is destructive. It puts these horrible standards on children. When the kid breaks one of these codes, the guilt will be overwhelming.

As a family of HBM ladies, my only modesty moral code was for my two daughters was, "You can wear a short skirt, OR you can wear a skimpy top... but don't let me catch you wearing both together because it makes you look trashy"

They both dressed one way for church, but wore strapless prom dresses, halter tops, short skirts, etc. They are both TBM adults. One is temple endowed, the other is not. The one who is not, still follows the modesty code of "short on bottom or skimpy on top, but never both together" She definitely dresses modestly by sensible standards... meaning, nobody ever confused her with a hoochie momma-- but the clothes she wears sends the Mormon Taliban into a panic.

What bothers me most about this whole modest dressing thing is how immodest it is. Modesty means humility. Modest clothing is covered up because it's the opposite of flaunting your hot bod. Immodesty is related to vanity, not simply showing skin. These modesty people, who are constantly advertising how modest their dress is, and how intolerant they are of how others' dress, to say nothing of those who imply that girls' dressing immodestly are somehow responsible for the thoughts of boys (which is disgustingly sexist), are not modest at all. They are very vain, constantly calling attention to themselves.

Dress modestly if you want. But for it to be modest, you've got to shut up about it. Otherwise, you're just trying to make your own mode of dress into a holier-than-thou status symbol, and that's immodest.

THANK YOU. This is one of the things that bugs the crap out of me about the Duggars. If you really want to be modest, you don't go on TV and orate endlessly about how modest you are!

I used to know garment-wearer women who would wear the garments but pin up the sleeves and leg flaps to accommodate sleeveless and more revealing clothing. That was way before everybody got so concerned about what everyone else was wearing.

...and since posting my response about women's rights being about self-worth coming from within rather than from the outside appearance, one person has "liked" my post and no one else, including the friend has written anything as a rebuttal.

Bam.

"Shoulders and boulders are graciously covered."

OMG i am getting too old...it took me a minute on the "boulders" thing...I should write and ask when are they going to get them burkas!

just sick!

They forgot the classic: modest is hottest.

The mormons are alone in doing this, check out:

XXXCHURCH.com.

They used to have entire sections of the website that encouraged girls not to dress like whores. There was a similar section for boys, but I don't remember how they were supposed t dress.

They have "ministries" in Strip Clubs and have booths at the big porn show in Las Vegas. They drive around in a Scion Van that has "XXXCHURCH" graphics all over it.

There were two guys that started this whole ridiculous thing. One of them quit, because the other one was too much of an extremist. I heard he may have come back...

If Adam and Eve were naked and then ate the forbidden fruit which lead to putting on clothes wouldn't that mean that modesty is of the devil? (Satan, "See you are naked make yea cloths of fig leaves".)

So ladies and gent's uncover your shame and free your bits. God wanted us naked from the get go.

Anubis