This thread is the best I could come up with.
http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=23618
And the best they came up with was, drum roll.....



Sexual temptations.

So, Mormons have a site (mormonandgay.com) that says it is kinda sort of okay to be gay and Mormon BUT don't they don't consider a way these men can do anything special for their cause.

Now, lesbian sister missionaries are A-OK because Mormon lesbians don't have much sexual temptations.

Yes, another gay thread on RfM.

Sexual repression was my answer before I even opened the thread. This exactly. Which as you have observed, is an unfair indictment of men in general and not necessarily representative of the sexuality of all older single women etc.

"Now, lesbian sister missionaries are A-OK because Mormon lesbians don't have much sexual temptations."

Say what? For one thing, lesbian missionaries are theoretically allowed to serve if they are keeping celibate, but I definitely think sticking a lesbian with another woman 24/7 is a sexual temptation. Am I missing something? Or do you think lesbians just cuddle? I assure you, there is sex going on between lesbians even without a penis present.

I don't know any Mormon lesbians nor have I read a blog by one or ever known of a Mormon lesbian serving a LDS Mission.

The evidence probably points to "Sister Missionaries" assuming some positions on themselves more than "Elders" who are middle-aged.

But, as always, mileage varies with individuals...

Many years ago question was asked at a PH leadership meeting I was attending. Elder Perry's response was something about the older men being useless to them. He talked a little about issues with single older women having difficulties when partnered with younger companions. He stated they expected bigger issues with an older man. The widower was to remarry then go on a mission with the new spouse.

He related a story of himself after his first wife, Virginia, died he thought he would get a lot of extra work in. He would eat microwave hot dogs for an evening meal and stay at the office into the night. After a about a year as a widower he said the prophet (I think it was Kimball) visited him and told him he was to remarry.

Because older men would have had some life experience and be able to spot BS - and thus likely not be effective as missionaries.

Only gullible ones or elderly/seniors who have been TBMs their entire life need apply.

If i was a young sister missionary i wouldnt want to be companion with an old sister missionary lol. i hear horror stories. a sister told me the old one had incontinence and always had to stop at a restroom and never wanted to do anything on p-day. lol

no reason why u can't have 2 old guys companioned up.

Again it's the church trying to control your life instead of guiding your life. If given the chance the church will tell you who to marry and the day and time to have sex.

EXON46 Wrote:
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> If given the chance
> the church will tell you who to marry and the day
> and time to have sex.

A Mormon and after your scripture reading and prayer.

I think I am going to have to write this one off as a "Mormon mystery."

I can't think of even a somewhat decent reason. The best I can come up with is the idea that there should be NO single Mormon men in "The Church" ala mid-twenties = bane to Mormon society.

But if the reason they weren't married was as simple as they were celibate gays, Mormon Jesus has a special place in "This Probation" Hell for Mormon Gays.

3 words... horny old men.

And the actual reason/answer isL

Because older men would have had some life experience and be able to spot BS - and thus likely not be effective as missionaries.

Only young, gullible ones or elderly/seniors who have been TBMs their entire life need apply.

Exmosis Wrote:
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> elderly/seniors who
> have been TBMs their entire life need apply.

But this doesn't explain single middle-aged women "serving" where single middle-aged men can't.

Are you suggesting women with "life experience" are less "able to spot BS"??

Single middle aged women don't go on missions.

The women who go on missions are generally young women, ages 20-25. That's not middle aged !!!???? (And now they can go when 19 years old)

Just before I quit going to church, the singles wards in the DC area were tasked to provide temple workers. Any single sister could become a worker, and any single man under 30. Why under 30?

The DC temple president explicitly said that he did not want gays working in the temple. (Never mind that gays are 29 before they turn 30). It seems it is okay for lesbians to serve in the temple, but a man has to be gay to make it to 30 and not be married, so by definition he should be banned.

The homophobia in the LDS Church can only be compared to the sexism and racism.

Gay death happens at 30 for all gays. At least that's what it says on my card.

"Gays die when they turn 30"


Sounds like the premise of the film 'Logan's Run'!

They did years ago. My grandfather was a widdower and served a mission in the early '50's, he would have been in his late 60's at the time. I was born while he was gone. The practice must have stopped not long after.

LoL. Yah right he served a mission - he was probably out having fun

Naaa...he was close to 70 years old, completely TBM, converted as a child in Holland, was back there on his second mission.

My father's first cousin Edwin Firmage Jr. got to marry his wife BEFORE going on a mission.

Never understood that one and never will. A mission isn't the army no matter how much TBMs want to think it.

This same grandfather was married a few days before leaving on his first mission. My other grandfather was called to go to England during WWII and left my grandmother with three small chidren and a 40 acre farm to care for.

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,744651,745742#msg-745742

Men are trouble. Trouble I tell you!

OK

Does this apply to service missions too? Because a certain divorced, TBM male family member of mine is under the impression that he's going to go serve a mission in S. America soon and bragz about it all the time. But then again, I doubt he's done any research or made any plans.

In South Dakota we had one elderly, single man who was a missionary who worked on the "bee project." It was a project the purpose of which was to teach the Native Americans on the reservations to care for bees and harvest honey. He only came out in the summer and autumn. He was paired with one of the younger elders. This was not desirable assignment.

This is funny, my wife and I were recently talking and she said she was going on a mission after we retire. I told her I was fine with it as long as it was somewhere fun and she didn't get jealous when I went to the beach in the morning and a soccer game at night. I also told her that she might have to go it alone during the holidays and things like our children's and grandchildren's birthdays. As soon as I went that far she started backing off of the whole mission as a married woman with a anti husband.

The policy of letting a single 35 y.o. woman serve, but not a 35 y.o. single man, is a subtle illustration of TSCC's gender discrimination.

Even though an older, single woman can see BS as well as an older, single man, TSCC doesn't see older single women as being as much of a threat as older single men. Consider this: many mission presidents would feel totally comfortable manipulating and putting pressure on an older, single woman during an interview. Those same mission presidents would be much more scared to talk down to a grown man.

Here's something else to consider. For boys, the full-time missionary program isn't really about bringing salvation to the ends of the earth; it's about giving them a rite of passage into mormon manhood. Maybe from TSCC's perspective, older men shouldn't go since it's not going to be the same rite of passage for them.

Throughout my mission, words were said that basically implied that serving a mission was a duty for elders, but that sisters were the ones that really did the best missionary work. Even my MP (who rubbed shoulders with the GAs as a big cheese in CES) said in zone conference that many new MPs will call the COB and beg for more sister missionaries, since the sisters produce more baptisms.

Bottom line is: TSCC is not only more comfortable with sister missionaries, but sister missionaries produce better results, so of course they'll let 30-something sisters serve. Elders, on the other hand, are just doing their time, and TSCC doesn't think it's worth the hassle to deal with 30-something men on missions.

Women are generally more social.

Interesting....

I am in my late 50's, maybe they will let me circulate in a few local stakes and clean the toilets.

THe Mormon church uses a man's love for his family to keep him in the church even if he discovers it is a con.

An older single man? They have no woman preventing him from watching porn and masturbating all night. There is no woman keeping liquor out of the house and giving him that good loving so he isn't a threat to the neighborhood children...

Actually, they have no hold on him, no reason to trust his motives. He could be in it to gather information for RfM. He could be in it to embarrass the church by revealing secrets and getting even. He might even have embezzlement on his mind.

Who knows what can happen to a man who has lost his wife and failed to bond with this children due to all that time spent on church callings instead of activities with the kids. He might blame them. He's a loose cannon, this bachelor.

What about a woman in the same circumstance? Well, usually she has managed to keep her bonds with her children because of the stay at home mother being a calling itself. ALso, older women have less libido and are more protective of children's innocence. Women make a lovely home, which is inviting to missionaries and investigators, where as a man may not bother.

When a man loves a woman and is married to her, he is the happiest of all people. This is confirmed in studies. It goes downhill from there with the elderly people least happy is married women.

Why are women less happy? Their motive is gone- kids. You put p with a lot for your children.

Anyone who has reached old age and is still a member may not be a believer at all after all this time, so the LDS aren't taking any chances on getting bad publicity.

Remember I told you they have a dogeared copy of the Catholic playbook in the temple and whenever they have a problem, they look up what the Catholics did. Their old priests were the worst pedophiles.

They are not taking chances.

Ana

Well, lots of LDS guys who are over 30 and single are not exactly the "pick of the litter."

Given that there's more willing sisters than brethren at that age, if I guy can't get hitched, he may also have issues that would make him ineffective as a representative for LDS, Inc.

RG