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Posted by: wine country girl ( )
Date: January 09, 2013 08:28PM

http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/sweet-sodas-soft-drinks-may-raise-risk-depression-183000091.html

Would THIS explain why so many LDSers suffer from Depression and Obesity?

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Posted by: hello ( )
Date: January 09, 2013 08:52PM

It is known already that aspartame ingestion leads to consumption of more calories in general, and more carbohydrates. Aspartame is known to cause weight gain, ironic since it is hyped as a "diet drink".

So now they are finding aspartame is also linked to depression? Why am I not surprised? It is a neurotoxin.

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Posted by: Makurosu ( )
Date: January 09, 2013 09:02PM

They're talking about sugary drinks, not aspartame. BTW, aspartame is two amino acids -- that's all.

EDIT: Whoops, you're right!

"And all that extra sugar isn't the actual problem: The research showed that low-calorie diet sodas, iced teas, and fruit punches were linked to an slightly higher risk of depression than the high-calorie stuff. Researchers say that the artificial sweetener aspartame may be to blame."



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Posted by: Makurosu ( )
Date: January 09, 2013 11:21PM

There have been so many outrageous conspiracy theories about aspartame, I would need some pretty clear evidence at this point.

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Posted by: Makurosu ( )
Date: January 09, 2013 11:32PM

I have, and that's why I'm not buying it. Show me the evidence, and I'll consider it. (Hint: There isn't any.)

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Posted by: Makurosu ( )
Date: January 11, 2013 12:52PM

About the author:
Ethan Evers is author of the award-winning medical thriller "The Eden Prescription," in which cutting-edge researchers perfect an effective, all-natural treatment for cancer, only to be hunted down by pharmaceutical interests which will stop at nothing to protect their $80 billion cancer drug cash machine.

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Posted by: hello ( )
Date: January 12, 2013 04:44PM

Really, Mak? You're going to attack the writer of the article reporting about the study, for being under-qualified or biased? Isn't that like Mopologists attacking Simon Southerton because he is only a plant geneticist and a dirty apostate, and therefore not qualified to discuss human genetics?

What did you think of the study the article reported and discussed? It's a 22 year long study of aspartame soda users, the longest study ever done on this compound's effects.

Evers is just a reporter in this case. He is not affiliated with the study.

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Posted by: Makurosu ( )
Date: January 12, 2013 05:01PM

hello Wrote:
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> Really, Mak? You're going to attack the writer of
> the article reporting about the study, for being
> under-qualified or biased?

Yes.

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Posted by: matt ( )
Date: January 12, 2013 06:07PM

hello Wrote:
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> Is this evidence, Mak?
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> http://www.naturalnews.com/037772_aspartame_leukem
> ia_lymphoma.html

Hello, you really should use the resource www.snopes.com. It is, to flawed ideas and lies, what avast is to computer viri.

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Posted by: Human ( )
Date: January 10, 2013 03:22AM

Hi Carol.

One thing that is certain: no one needs to wait for government sponsored science to affirm or dis-affirm one's own experience. If aspartame or MSG give one a headache etc, every single time, then what the research says or fails to say is superfluous.

I say this because my very stubborn TBM brother-in-law (former) insists that the anti-aspartame/MSG/etc people are nothing more than weak-@ss liberal Commies willing to say and do anything to thwart ligitimate and god-loving business interests. Yet every time this guy drinks pop, which is every night, he complains of a headache and shooting pains down the back of his neck --every single time. He simply refuses to even consider it's the pop.

I myself and two of my three kids have noticed very significant and instant side-effects to aspartame and MSG. It's instant. No need for a list of papers pro and con to confirm the side-effects.

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Posted by: Carol Y. ( )
Date: January 10, 2013 03:39AM

Splenda is a bleached sugar formulation. It was first discovered to be useful in killing mosquitoes. It can cause terrible skin rashes in some people.

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Posted by: EssexExMo ( )
Date: January 10, 2013 11:03AM

correlation does not imply causation.

I have had all the forwarded emails and warnings about aspartame, and when you look the evidence goes nowhere. the papers cited do not existed, the 'doctors' names are made up.

snopes has a whole host of info on the aspartame hoaxes
(one of the hoaxes is that is was produces as an ANT poison, not mosquito killer)
http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/antpoison.asp
http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cancerupdate.asp
http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp

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Posted by: Mia ( )
Date: January 09, 2013 08:58PM

The comments were more interesting, and probably more revealing than the article itself.

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Posted by: untarded ( )
Date: January 09, 2013 10:11PM

From the comments:

A man asks his doctor" Doc, am I going to live past my 80s?" The

doc replies, "Do you smoke in excess, drink in excess, chase

wild women, or live on the edge?" The man says "No." The doctor

then says, "Then why do you want to live past your 80s?!!

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Posted by: CL2 ( )
Date: January 10, 2013 04:00AM

Just sit around and wait for a while and someone else will come up with some different results.

Let's see, the first time I was suicidally depressed, I didn't drink diet drinks because I was a good little mormon girl. I found out my boyfriend was gay. Maybe that was it. When I started drinking diet coke, I was married to my gay husband and I was happy. Best place I'd been in a long time. I started drinking diet coke to work my 2 time a week swing shift job.

I was still drinking diet coke when he left me. But it must have been the diet coke that made me need Prozac OBVIOUSLY. I drank diet coke the whole time I was pulling myself up out of that mess and somehow I did it--through financial ruin, through my son trying to commit suicide twice--I still drank that stuff and I wasn't on antidepressants, but it must have been the diet coke that made me depressed.

When my dog died 2 years ago I WASN'T ON DIET COKE and, guess what, I was depressed. I had to go back on antidepressants for the first time in 5 years. Must have been the lack of diet coke in my system.

I started drinking it again 6 months ago when I totaled my car. It probably was the diet coke that made me depressed.

I type medical records. I'm skeptical of any reports that come out. I'm skeptical of any doctor telling me THEY KNOW.

How many drugs have we seen come on the market approved by the FDA and then all these law suits come out?

I don't believe the LDS church claims--I certainly don't buy every word I read on the internet. I'll go on drinking my diet coke until I'm ready to give it up. AND, yes, I'm somewhat overweight, but I started gaining weight when my husband cheated on me. Oops, probably was the diet coke.

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Posted by: rhgc ( )
Date: January 10, 2013 09:12AM

Drink black coffee and you won't be depressed! Soda increases likelihood of depression and diabetes and coffee reduces them. TSCC approves soda and rejects coffee. Figures.

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: January 10, 2013 07:37AM

I was married to a research nutritionist/biochemist who had access to it several years before it was approved for human consumption.

It is extracted from egg white. It can't be heated because it does what egg white (and all proteins)does when you heat it - it permanently changes flavor and texture.

As cl2 observed, the world is chuck full of things way more depressing than Diet Coke. There are only so many things worth worrying about, and aspartame doesn't come close to making my short list.

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Posted by: CL2 ( )
Date: January 10, 2013 10:31AM

I just couldn't let that one go without commenting.

There are all kinds of studies about alcohol, but many here drink alcohol and I do sometimes. Most of my inactive siblings drink to excess. I don't. They also smoke. So my addiction happens to be diet coke?? Sure costs a lot less, too. My son is addicted to his prescribed medicines--doctor prescribed. He chases his pills with vodka. I guess I should be more worried about that than my diet coke habit.

Actually my diet coke was often what made it possible for me to get out of bed in the morning during the worst years of my life. So be it. At least I was functional.

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Posted by: Outcast ( )
Date: January 10, 2013 09:37AM

There's no real problem as long as any of these are ingested sparingly.

One or two cups of coffee, one or two sodas = no problem.

The problem is when someone consumes 6-8 per day and never switches to anything else, like plain water.

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Posted by: nomo moses ( )
Date: January 10, 2013 10:40AM

My first thought after reading the article, and their sample method, is it does not address cause/affect.

Comparing to my own experience, I prefer black coffee and green tea, but occasionally I like to have a diet cherry coke. It reminds me of when I was going to school in Florida and drank a lot of it. It was a happy time for me. I drink it now as a comfort food.

So maybe some depressed people are turning to the sweet drinks instead of the sweet drinks causing depression.

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Posted by: spaghetti oh ( )
Date: January 10, 2013 10:46AM

Who cares if diet pops are linked to depression or not? People shouldn't be drinking them anyways for the simple fact that they taste like crap!

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Posted by: anoninnv ( )
Date: January 12, 2013 09:29PM

+1000

I can immediately tell if something has artificial sugar in it. I hadn't bothered to look at the Little Debbie I bought as a quick snack and spit it right out in the parking lot and threw the rest directly in the trash. So gross!

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Posted by: helemon ( )
Date: January 10, 2013 11:53AM

I prefer unsweetened iced tea because you can control how much sugar you put into it.

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: January 11, 2013 12:44PM

Whatever the stats, the point, as I see it is: moderation. That is exactly what I was taught growing up.
A little of this, a little of that, and we're OK.
Excess seems to be the thing that causes problems.

On the other hand, it's your life: eat and drink and do whatever you want! Life is short. Enjoy it!

Humans get diseases. Sometimes there is no accounting for why. It's just the nature of living.

Almost all of these cautionary articles seem to have the word: "may" in them. That is enough for me to note that nothing is absolute.

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Posted by: Nermal ( )
Date: January 11, 2013 01:20PM

Yeah, and asparagus cures cancer, too.

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Posted by: rhgc ( )
Date: January 12, 2013 05:38PM

`More important, while TSCC has now approved depression-causing sodas, it still forbids depression-fighting coffee. Clearly, TSCC thrives on depressing people. The general doctrine of having to earn the CK is bad enough, but it compounds this by the Wow. Make no mistake, people can die from depression. Utah has the highest rate of depression and a high rate of suicide. For each life saved by a lower alcohol abuse rate resulting in fewer alcohol traffic fatalities, a sleepy driver, passenger or innocent dies because of faith in the Wow (approximately equal, that is).
Besides, the WoW is a boon for psychiatrists, psychologists and drug companies.



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Posted by: matt ( )
Date: January 12, 2013 06:05PM

"Gee. People who drink fizzy soda drinks are more likely to become depressed. Therefore, fizzy drinks cause depression."

It is equally able to posit the following: People who tend towards depression might need something to make themselves feel better about themselves. And, hey, maybe, as a result, they tend to drink more fizzy drinks.



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Posted by: rhgc ( )
Date: January 12, 2013 06:33PM

I would disagree because I know that if I ingest too much sugar, it causes me to be depressedm clinicallly depressed. For me it is a one-to-one correlation. Since I know many other people with a similar effect, the drinking of sodas IS causative and not merely a result of depressed people tending to drink soda. Similarly, I know that if I drink coffee, a do not get depressed. Also, in Utah where a substantial portion of the population drinks soda and NOT coffee, the portion of the population suffering clinical depression is highest.

I was depressed for years as a member of TSCC and, because I am freed from LDS strictures under the WoW, I no longer suffer. As for the other observations, I have checked the data and items such as the rate of auto deaths and alcohol are also confirmed: the death rate in total is not reduced but those from alcohol are fewer. I also know of specific cases of deaths from drivers falling asleep - drivers who were TMB and would NEVER drink coffee or tea. Coffee is the best avenue for quick caffeine in the bloodstream.



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Posted by: anoninnv ( )
Date: January 12, 2013 09:26PM

I'm glad that this is getting spread around again. I've known this for years.

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