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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 02:45PM

The lilly-white High Command of the Mormon Church wants President Barack Obama to listen up (as well as any White person who may be thinking about marrying an "Indian," a native Chinese, a native Japanese, a native Arab, a native Mexican or any other non-Caucasian native):

President Obama's parents (and all other racial inter-marrying moms and dads) did not do the advisable thing in mingling their blood when they became wed to each other and then produced dark-skinned offspring.

This is contrary to the will of the fair-skinned Mormon God, donchya see.

Indeed, let the record white-and-delightsomely demonstrate that according to Spencer W. Kimball in statements he made which were reaffirmed while he was serving as Mormon Church president in 1978 when its anti-Black policy was amended (statements which to this day stand unrevoked by the Mormon Church), interracial marriage is officially not considered a good thing by the LDS Church. To be sure, the Mormon Church officially and explicitly recommends that people do not race-mix through marriage.*

(*NOTE: Apparently, Spencer W. Kimball didn't bother consulting with founding Mormon polygamizer Joseph Smith on the matter. Read through Kimball's pro-White, anti-"Indian" rhetoric that follows and when you get to the end, observe that Smith was actually in favor of white and delightsome Mormon men marrying dark and virtuous Native American women, telling his White Mormon male missionary force to begin proceeding with their seeding).
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--Crossing Racial Lines is Bad for the Breed

“Now, the brethren feel that it is not the wisest thing to cross racial lines in dating and marrying. There is no condemnation. We have had some of our fine young people who have crossed the lines. We hope they will be very happy, but experience of the brethren through a hundred years has proved to us that marriage is a very difficult thing under any circumstances and the difficulty increases in interrace marriages”

(Spencer W. Kimball, Brigham Young University devotional, 5 January 1965)


“When I said you must teach your people to overcome their prejudices and accept the Indians, I did not mean that you would encourage intermarriage. I mean that they should be brothers, to worship together and to work together and to play together; but we must discourage intermarriage, not because it is sin. I would like to make this very emphatic. A couple has not committed sin if an Indian boy and a white girl are married, or vice versa. It isn’t a transgression like the transgressions of which many are guilty. But it is not expedient. Marriage statistics and our general experience convince us that marriage is not easy. It is difficult when all factors are favorable. The divorces increase constantly, even where the spouses have the same general background of race, religion, finances, education, and otherwise. ”

(Spencer W. Kimball, “The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball,” p. 302)


“The interrace marriage problem is not one of inferiority or superiority. It may be that your son is better educated and may be superior in his culture, and yet it may be on the other hand that she is superior to him. It is a matter of backgrounds. The difficulties and hazards of marriage are greatly increased where backgrounds are different. For a wealthy person to marry a pauper promises difficulties. For an ignoramus to marry one with a doctor’s degree promises difficulties, heartaches, misunderstandings, and broken marriages.

“When one considers marriage, it should be an unselfish thing, but there is not much selflessness when two people of different races plan marriage. They must be thinking selfishly of themselves. They certainly are not considering the problems that will beset each other and that will beset their children.

“If your son thinks he loves this girl, he would not want to inflict upon her loneliness and unhappiness; and if he thinks that his affection for her will solve all her problems, he should do some more mature thinking.

“We are unanimous, all of the Brethren, in feeling and recommending that Indians marry Indians, and Mexicans marry Mexicans; the Chinese marry Chinese and the Japanese marry Japanese; that the Caucasians marry the Caucasians, and the Arabs marry Arabs.”

(Spencer W. Kimball, “The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball,” p. 303)

http://www.lightplanet.com/family/marriage/interracial_marriage.html


“In 1958 [Kimball] gave an address which touched on [the]subject [of interracial dating]. President Kimball’s statement was reprinted in the Church Section of the Deseret News on June 17, 1978 [on the heels of the Mormon Church allowing Black males to receive the priesthood] . . .

“The Church Section . . . [on that date] gave this information:

“In an address to seminary and institute teachers at Brigham Young University on June 27, 1958, President Kimball, then a member of the Council of the Twelve, said:

“‘ . . . [T]here is one thing that I must mention, and that is interracial marriages. When I said you must teach your young people to overcome their prejudices and accept the Indians, I did not mean that you would encourage intermarriage.’”

http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changech10b.htm


Although Kimball was openly opposed to race-mixing with "the Indians" and other allegedly color-cursed, sub-par ethnic groups, he nonetheless believed that, in fulfillment of latter-day Mormon prophesy, Native Americans who were turning to the LDS gospel were actually undergoing a physically detectable, lightening effect in their skin color (plus. he added, they were learning to feed themselves, groom nice like White people and taking it upon themselves to drive their pickup trucks to Mormon Church meetings on their reservations).

Geezus.

In a 1960 General Conference talk entitled "The Day of the Lamanites," then-apostle Kimball proudly declared:

"The day of the Lamanites is here!

"Young white missionaries throughout the Church are happy in the service, glad that they were called to this special mission, some planning to change their college majors when they return from their missions so they can work among the Indians.

"I see a dependent people becoming independent; for example, I see them coming in their pickups to meetings, whereas a decade ago they needed to be picked up by the missionaries, fed, and coddled. Some still must learn, but they are making progress; for instance, a party was arranged by two missionaries—the Indian people to bring the food, the elders to furnish the punch. When they assembled, they had only punch to drink. Later another party was arranged—the Indians to bring the food and the elders to bring the punch. They had both food and drink. They are learning.

"We called for a picture of the Indian elders. 20 of them came—five full-blood Navajo boys, and 15 who were part Navajo and Apache and Ute and Sioux. . . .

"These Indian elders are well-groomed, neat, smiling, and equal to their white companions--handsome and sincere--some struggling in the acquisition of the difficult English language, and others coming through the Utah Placement Program speaking perfect English and displaying the best of our own culture. White elders feel fortunate when they are lucky enough to have a Navajo companion. . .

"At last, the Indians are suitable. . . .

"The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised (2 Ne. 30:6). In this picture of the 20 Lamanite missionaries, 15 of the twenty were as light as Anglos; five were darker but equally delightsome. The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

"At one meeting a father and mother and their 16-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl—-16--sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.

"There was the doctor in a Utah city who for two years had had an Indian boy in his home who stated that he was some shades lighter than the younger brother just coming into the program from the reservation. These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness. One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated."

http://scriptures.byu.edu/gettalk.php?ID=1091&era=yes


Welcome to Utah, God's little White kingdom on earth.
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--Utah’s Anti-Interracial Marriage Law

“Like most other states, Utah once had a law against interracial marriages. It was passed by the territorial Legislature in 1888 and wasn’t repealed until 1963, said Philip Notarianni, director of the Division of State History.

“‘Utah, both in enacting and repealing it, probably just was going along with the national sentiment,’ he said.

“Race isn’t an issue today for Utah’s predominant LDS faith, church spokesman Scott Trotter said.

“The late President Spencer W. Kimball of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints had cautioned members about interracial marriages, but it was also a revelation issued by President Kimball that opened up the LDS priesthood to worthy black males in 1978.”

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,660211384,00.htm


And, by the way, for those out there who may think that the Mormon Church has moved past Kimball’s negative view of interracial marriage, think again. To this day, it’s still quoting him. In the current, Church-authorized Aaronic Priesthood Manual 3, Lesson 31, entitled “Choosing an Eternal Companion” (p. 127ff), it declares in black and white:

“We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally, and of somewhat the same economic and social and educational background (some of those are not an absolute necessity, but preferred), and above all, the same religious background, without question.” (Spencer W. Kimball, “Marriage and Divorce,” in 1976 Devotional Speeches of the Year [Provo: Brigham Young University Press, 1977], p. 144)
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--What a Guy Ol’ Saintly Spence Was

Even when he gave the priesthood to Blacks, he couldn’t help himself and had to add that didn’t mean White folks should, you know, like, marry them.

Just thought President Obama (and other like-minded race-mixing supporters) should know what the Mormon God still thinks of their unrighteous race-mixing thing.

BUT WAIT! . . .
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--Hold Your Horses, Spence: Joseph Smith Commanded White Mormon Missionaries to Marry Dark-Skinned Native American Females in Order to Lighten Their Skin Color in Preparation for Their Eventual Salvation

Joseph Smith taught that not only would Native Americans become White if they did what was religiously right, he was of the view that Mormon White men would help God change their skin color by marrying them.

As Dan Vogel, in his book "Indian Origins and the Book of Mormon: Religious Solutions from Columbus to Joseph Smith" (Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books,1986) notes:

"Although there were stories ciruclating about a few 18th-century Indians turning white, Joseph Smith evidently believed that the change in the Indian's skin color would result from a gradual and natural process. In 1831, he repprtedly told misionaries that it was the Lord's will that they should take Indian wome as their wives in order that the Lamanite 'posterity may become white, delightsome and just.'"

(p.66)


Vogel is referring to a revelation attributed to Joseph Smith that was "penned by W. W. Phelps to Brigham Young, 12 August 1861." Vogel notes that this revelation is located in "LDS Church archives, " that it "appears in Fred C. Collier, comp., 'Unpublished Revelations of the Prophets and Presidents of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' (Salt Lake City, Utah: Collier's Publishing Co., 1979), pp. 57-58, and is reprinted in Steven F. Christensen, 'Scriptural Commentary,' 'Sunstone' (November-December 1981), p. 64 Mormon scholar Lyndon W. Cook cited the revelation but did not publish the text ('The Revelations of the Prophet Joseph Smith: A Historical and Biographical Commentary of the Doctrine and Covenants' [Provo, Utah: Seventy's Mission Book Store, 1981], pp. 347, 361)."

(p. 99, fn 94)


Vogel nonetheless mention "some problems regarding the accuracy of Phelp's reminiscent account, particularly as it relates to polygamy," raised by Richard S. Von Wagoner in his book, "Mormon Polygamy: A History" (Salt Lake CIty, Utah: Signarure Books, 1986).

Von Wagoner concedes that "[i]t is difficult to determine exactly when Joseph Smith first felt compelled to practice polygamy." Referring to Phelp's recollection as coming "three decades after the fact in an 1861 letter to Brigham Young," he reports that Phelps claimed to Young that "on 17 July 1831, when he and five others had gathered in Jackson County, Missouri, the prophet [Joseph Smith] made this statement: 'It is my will that in time ye should make take unto you wives of the Lamanites and Nephits [Indians], that their postery may become white, delightsome and just.' Phelps added in a postscript to the letter that 'about three years after this was given, I asked brother Joseph, privately, how 'we' that were mentioned in the relevation could take wives of the 'natives,' as we were all married men?' He claimed that the prohet replied, 'In the same manner that Abraham took Hagar and Keturah; and Jacob took Rachel, Bilhah and Zilpha, by Revelation."

(pp. 3-4)


Von Wagoner further argues that "[o]ther contemporary evidence suggests Smith's revelation was given not as a foreshadowing of polygamy but rather for the purpose of removing obstacles to missionary work which Indian agents in Kansas-Missouri had created. Ezra Booth, prominent Protestant minister-turned Mormon-turned-apostate, who was also in Missouri in 1831, published an account of the revelation in the 8 December 1831 'Ohio Star' which related 'it had been made known by revelation' that it would be 'pleasing to the Lord if the elders formed a matrimonial alliance with the natives,' whereby Mormons might 'gain a residence' in Indian territory despite the opposition of government agents."

(p. 223, fn 1)


Von Wagoner also suggests that Phelps "could . . . have mistaken the 'we' in his recollection of the revelation." Von Wagoner conjectures that "Smith may have intended miscegenation as a general Mormon rule rather than a specific directive to the seven men on the trip. Though intermarriage between Mormon males and Indian women became an accepted Mormon custom, none of the seven men married an Indian woman."

However, Von Wagoner reports that "Mormons of Brigham Young's day . . . commonly taught that the Indians would become a 'white and delightsome people' through intermarraige. As early as 1852, William Hall noted that President Young was teaching that 'the curse of their color shall be removed' through intermarriage (Hall, p. 59). And Elder James S. Brown, an 1853 missionary to the Shoshone, recalled instructions from Church leaders 'to identify our interests with theirs, even to marryng among them, if we would be permitted to take young daughters of the chief and leading men. . . . It was thought that by forming that kind of alliance we could have more power to do them good and keep the peace among the adjacent tribes.' (Brown, 1900, p. 320)."

(pp. 223-24)


In any event, Vogel (who accepts as generally persuasive the position that Smith did, in fact, direct Mormon males to intermarry with Native American females) notes that Smith's command that they do so was actually not a new idea. Rather, it was a concept that had been advocated by non-Mormons in the early decades of the American nation, as well as during the earlier American revolutionary period and then during Smith's own lifetime.

Vogel writes:

"Joseph Smith was not the first to suggest that white Americans intermarry with Indians. In 1816, William H. Crawford (1772-1834), senator from Georgia, made the highly controversial suggestion that Americans solve their Indian problem by intemarrying with them."

Indeed, the idea of intermarriage with Native Americans was proposed by some of America's most famous founding fathers.

As Vogel reports:

" . . . Chase C. Monney in his book, 'William H. Crawford, 1772-1834' (Lexington, Kentucky: University Press of Kentucky, 1974)] . . . states that the idea of civilizing the Indians through intermarriage had been previously recommended by Patrick Henry and Thomas Jefferson, and that the idea had gained some acceptance among Creek, Cherokee and Chickasaw Indians (pp. 89, 292). When Crawford was candidate for the presidency eight years later, the issue was again brought up for debate. For a heated response to Crawford's position, see Thomas Cooper, "Strictures to James Madison on the Celebrated Report of William H. Crawford Recommending the Intermarriage of Americans with Indian Tribes" (Philadelphia, 1824). On 25 December 1824, the 'Cincinnati Liteary Gazette' claimed 'the second generation [of American Indians] resulting from these alliances would be totally white and beautiful.'"

(pp. 99-100, fn 94)

As in "white and delightsome."

Vogel further notes that, despite Smith's view that righteous Native Americans would become white, 20th-century Mormon Church leaders have abandoned this Book of Mormon teaching, even though it was the historical doctrine as found in the original Book of Mormon manuscript, in the printer's manuscript and in its earliest published editions:

"Recently Mormon leaders changed the Book of Mormon promise that the latter-dy Indian converts will turn 'white and delightsome' by insisting on an 1840 reading of ''pure and delightsome' ("Ensign," Oct. 1981). The 1981 printing of the Book of Mormon follows that reading. However, the original manuscrtipt, the printer's manuscript, the 1830 first edition and the 1837 second editon alluse the words 'white and delightsome.'"

(p. 99, fn 91)


Along with Vogel, Mormon historian H. Michael Marquardt, in his book, "The Joseph Smith Revelations Text and Commentary," regards as historical fact that Smith issued a Native American polygamy revelation, which Marquardt quotes at greater length (emphasis added):

" . . . Revelation received west of Jackson County, Missouri, on 17 July 1831

"In July 1831 after the arrival of Joseph Smith, Jr., and others in Jackson County, Missouri, PLANS WERE MADE TO PREACH TO THE NATIVE AMERICANS. SMITH RECEIVED A DIRECTIVE ON INTERMARRIAGE WITH THE INDIANS. At a later date William W. Phelps wrote, evidently from memory, what he claimed was part or the substance of this revelation:

"'Part of a revelation by Joseph Smith Jun. given over the boundary, west of Jackson Co. Missouri, on Sunday morning, July 17, 1831, when Seven Elders, viz: Joseph Smith Jun. Oliver Cowdery, W.W. Phelps, Martin Harris, Joseph Coe, Ziba Peterson and Joshua Lewis united their hearts in prayer, in a private place, to inquire of the Lord who should preach the first sermon to the remnants of the Lamanites and Nephites, and the people of that Section, that should assemble that day in the Indian country, to hear the gospel, and the revelations according to the Book of Mormon.

"'Among the company, there being neither pen, ink or paper, Joseph [Smith, Jr.] remarked that the Lord could preserve his words as he had ever done, til the time appointed, and proceeded:

" . . .'Verily I say unto you that the wisdom of man in his fallen state, knoweth not the purposes and the privileges of my holy priesthood. but ye shall know when ye receive a fulness by reason of the anointing: For it is my will, that in time, ye should take unto you wives of the Lamanites and Nephites, THAT THEIR POSTERITY MAY BECOME WHITE AND DELIGHTSOME AND JUST, FOR EVEN NOW THEIR FEMALES ARE MORE VIRTUOUS THAN THE GENTILES.

"'Gird up your loins and be prepared for the mighty work of the Lord to prepare the world for my second coming to meet the tribes of Israel according to the predictions of all the holy prophets since the beginning . . . .

"'Be patient, therefore, possessing your souls in peace and love, and keep the faith that is now delivered unto you for the gathering of scattered Israel, and lo, I am with you, though ye cannot see me, till I come: even so. Amen.'

"'Reported by W.W.P. [William W. Phelps]"

"'About three years after this was given, I asked brother Joseph [Smith, Jr.] privately, how 'we,' that were mentioned in the revelation could take wives from the 'natives'—as we were all married men? He replied instantly 'In th[e] same manner that Abraham took Hagar and Katurah [Keturah]; and Jacob took Rachel Bilhah and Zilpah: by revelation—the saints of the Lord are always directed by revelation.'

"While the text of this revelation was not written in July 1831, intermarriage with the Indians was discussed. Four months later Ezra Booth wrote:

""In addition to this, and to co-operate with it, it has been made known by revelation, that IT WILL BE PLEASING TO THE LORD SHOULD THEY FORM A MATRIMONIAL ALLIANCE WITH THE NATIVES; and by this means the Elders, who comply with the thing so pleasing to the Lord, and for which the Lord has promised to bless those who do it abundantly, gain a residence in the Indian territory, independent of the agent.'"

Marquardt goes on to report:

"Phelps included a copy of this revelation in a letter to LDS church president Brigham Young. Commenting on the letter to Young, David J. Whittaker wrote:

"'Several things are apparent: (1) WHILE THE BOOK OF MORMON STRONGLY TEACHES THAT GOD REMOVES THE CURSE OF THE DARK SKIN, THIS DOCUMENT IMPLIES THAT INTERMARRIAGE CAN; (2) Some scholars think that this revelation was the initial impetus for plural marriage, as some of the missionaries had wives in Ohio; and (3) THIS DOCUMENT SEEMS TO HAVE BEGUN THE MORMON PRACTICE OF MARRYING NATIVE AMERICANS. Some of the contents of the document better fit an 1861 context and it is possible that Phelps added his own understanding 30 years later. Ezra Booth confirms early talk about marrying Indians, but the reasons for doing so probably did not include polygamy or even changing skin color, but rather facilitating entrance into the reservation for missionary work . . . '"

(pp. 374-76; see, also: http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/indianpolygamyrevelation.htm)
_____


Get in line, Spence. Your Mormon God wants you and your White boys to race-mix with those color-cursed "Indians."



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Posted by: cludgie ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 02:57PM

Brigham Young wanted Mormons to marry squaws and forge alliances with the Indians. From "Blood of the Prophets" p. 78:


"Brother Brigham and the twelve Spoke to us and told us that We had to marry Squaws," wrote Limhi missionary Abraham Zundel. According to Lewis Shurtliff, Heber Kimball spoke to the group about Mormon doctrine concerning marriage to Indian women. The authorities encouraged the men to take Indian wives to enhance the Mormon alliance with the Lamanites and reduce the vulnerability of the remote outpost. At least three of the missionaries obliged.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 04:03PM

The information below has been added back into this thread's OP:

--Hold Your Horses, Spence: Joseph Smith Commanded White Mormon Missionaries to Marry Dark-Skinned Native American Females in Order to Lighten Their Skin Color in Preparation for Their Eventual Salvation

"Indian Polygamy Revelation

"The following excerpt is from H. Michael Marquardt's book, 'The Joseph Smith Revelations Text and Commentary,' pp. 374-76 [emphasis added]:

"2. Revelation received west of Jackson County, Missouri, on 17 July 1831

"In July 1831 after the arrival of Joseph Smith, Jr., and others in Jackson County, Missouri, PLANS WERE MADE TO PREACH TO THE NATIVE AMERICANS. SMITH RECEIVED A DIRECTIVE ON INTERMARRIAGE WITH THE INDIANS. At a later date William W. Phelps wrote, evidently from memory, what he claimed was part or the substance of this revelation:

"'Part of a revelation by Joseph Smith Jun. given over the boundary, west of Jackson Co. Missouri, on Sunday morning, July 17, 1831, when Seven Elders, viz: Joseph Smith Jun. Oliver Cowdery, W.W. Phelps, Martin Harris, Joseph Coe, Ziba Peterson and Joshua Lewis united their hearts in prayer, in a private place, to inquire of the Lord who should preach the first sermon to the remnants of the Lamanites and Nephites, and the people of that Section, that should assemble that day in the Indian country, to hear the gospel, and the revelations according to the Book of Mormon.

"'Among the company, there being neither pen, ink or paper, Joseph [Smith, Jr.] remarked that the Lord could preserve his words as he had ever done, til the time appointed, and proceeded:

" . . .'Verily I say unto you that the wisdom of man in his fallen state, knoweth not the purposes and the privileges of my holy priesthood. but ye shall know when ye receive a fulness by reason of the anointing: For it is my will, that in time, ye should take unto you wives of the Lamanites and Nephites, THAT THEIR POSTERITY MAY BECOME WHITE AND DELIGHTSOME AND JUST, FOR EVEN NOW THEIR FEMALES ARE MORE VIRTUIOUS THAN THE GENTILES.

"'Gird up your loins and be prepared for the mighty work of the Lord to prepare the world for my second coming to meet the tribes of Israel according to the predictions of all the holy prophets since the beginning . . . .

"'Be patient, therefore, possessing your souls in peace and love, and keep the faith that is now delivered unto you for the gathering of scattered Israel, and lo, I am with you, though ye cannot see me, till I come: even so. Amen.'

"'Reported by W.W.P. [William W. Phelps]"

"'About three years after this was given, I asked brother Joseph [Smith, Jr.] privately, how 'we,' that were mentioned in the revelation could take wives from the 'natives'—as we were all married men? He replied instantly 'In th[e] same manner that Abraham took Hagar and Katurah [Keturah]; and Jacob took Rachel Bilhah and Zilpah: by revelation—the saints of the Lord are always directed by revelation.'

"While the text of this revelation was not written in July 1831, intermarriage with the Indians was discussed. Four months later Ezra Booth wrote:

""In addition to this, and to co-operate with it, it has been made known by revelation, that IT WILL BE PLEASING TO THE LORD< SHOULD THEY FORM A MATRIMONIAL ALLIANCE WITH THE NATIVES; And by this means the Elders, who comply with the thing so pleasing to the Lord, and for which the Lord has promised to bless those who do it abundantly, gain a residence in the Indian territory, independent of the agent.'

"Phelps included a copy of this revelation in a letter to LDS church president Brigham Young. Commenting on the letter to Young, David J. Whittaker wrote:

"'Several things are apparent: (1) WHILE THE BOOK OF MORMON STRONGLY TEACHES THAT GOD REMOVES THE CURSE OF THE DARK SKIN, THIS DOCUMENT IMPLIES THAT INTERMARRIAGE CAN; (2) Some scholars think that this revelation was the initial impetus for plural marriage, as some of the missionaries had wives in Ohio; and (3) THIS DOCUMENT SEEMS TO HAVE BEGUN THE MORMON PRACTICE OF MARRYING NATIVE AMERICANS. Some of the contents of the document better fit an 1861 context and it is possible that Phelps added his own understanding 30 years later. Ezra Booth confirms early talk about marrying Indians, but the reasons for doing so probably did not include polygamy or even changing skin color, but rather facilitating entrance into the reservation for missionary work . . . '"

http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/indianpolygamyrevelation.htm



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Posted by: Uncle Dale ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 03:08PM

Lemeseenow... How would this work? So long as the elders
mingle their seed with that of the Lamanites, it's OK.

Might have to delete a few bothersome passages from the
Most Perfect Book, so as not to confuse the faithful,
but that should work out just fine.

Mingling seed with the cursed descendants of Ham? That
sounds like more of a problem. Maybe it could be solved
by administering blood transfusions from good White
folks to those cussed pre-creation fence-sitters. So,
after the blood in their veins becomes less than
1/16th Cainish, then the pure and delightsome elders
could mingle with "those people," just like with the
red descendants of Laman....

Let's run the idea by Warren Jeffs, to see if we've
missed seeing any theological pitfalls in this.

UD

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Posted by: heretic ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 04:14PM

"This doctrine of social equality and the common mingling of these races is said to be made for the purpose of eventually eliminating the Negro race by absorption through intermarriage. This matter of amalgamation to a great degree has been enforced by the justices of the Supreme Court of the United States." Joseph Fielding Smith
("Answers to Gospel Questions," vol. III, p. 184)

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Posted by: partymxman ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 07:51PM

My wife and I got into quite a heated discussion with her brother about the fact that it is in the current priesthood manuals that it is advised that men marry within their own race, etc.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 08:26PM

The reason for her supposed "bad blood," I was informed, was that "her parents drink coffee."

Seriuously.

OK, maybe that assessment was made on the grounds that it was black coffee.



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Posted by: Yaqoob ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 08:34PM

“We are unanimous, all of the Brethren, in feeling and recommending that Indians marry Indians, and Mexicans marry Mexicans; the Chinese marry Chinese and the Japanese marry Japanese; that the Caucasians marry the Caucasians, and the Arabs marry Arabs.”

Arabs, sadly to inform you brethren, ARE ACTUALLY CAUCASIAN - sorry. You are not inspired.

And if you TBMs think I am wrong, look it up next time you apply for a job and have to pick a box. My many Arab friends are legally obligated to pick Caucasian, and that way its always been.

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Posted by: Spencer W. Kimball ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 08:42PM


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Posted by: rationalguy ( )
Date: February 15, 2013 12:03AM

This beloved little prophet SWK raised his family in Safford, AZ. I lived for a time in Safford a few years ago.. Many people I spoke with there didn't have a high opinion of him. That was because he worked in a field of endeavor not dear to many. He was a bill collector.

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