I've had some contact with Eyring and he's quite a persuasive Harvard educated, Camilla Kimball is his aunt, and quite autocratic. I don't know much about Uchtdorf. If Boyd K. is in the picture is there some Church rule that appoints him?
I don't think Packard pulls his own strings, and Monson barely handles his own.
Look, all the guys near the top are also the most likely to be the ones who can't even control their own bowel movements, little lone a church. It makes sense that the younger apostles are the real power behind the throne, with the old guys rolled out on their wheel chairs, whenever they need to make the members feel all warm and fuzzy.
If Monson dies, the next 'prophet' will be the man who has served as an 'apostle' the longest, who is also the President of the Q12. That's Packer. If Monson stays alive but loses it there is every likelihood that they will keep him going and the 1st and 2nd Counsellors in the 1st Pres will pull the strings. That is sadly what happened when Ezra Taft Benson was in very poor health, as his grandson Steve Benson has mentioned frequently on RfM. If it is between Eyring and Uchtdorf I would suspect Eyring merely because he is 1st Counsellor plus he has more experience. They may even co-opt more Counsellors, which they again did when ETB was declining (helping the rise of Gordon B Hinckley)
One fine general conference day, Monson will stand up and say, turning his body to Packer, "You'd like to be sitting here now, wouldn't you." And he'll shake his head and laugh, maybe point, laugh again and sit down, close his eyes and appear to nod off.
THen he'll stand back up out of the clear blue and announce, "He's not sitting here." THen sit down.
When Spencer Kimball was in the main chair, he was getting pretty feeble with age. He seemed to be overdue for the Reaper. At that time, I did hear from some other members that God was keeping SWK alive because he didn't want Ezra Taft Bensen as profit, and god was waiting for ETB to die first. I think they were saying it as a joke. Anyway, SWK did die and ETB did become the next profit. ETB was a polarizing personality himself with weird ideas and postions, but I don't know if a lot of people left because of him. Everybody around me just said, "Isn't he great! Oh, I love him so!"
I lived in LA in 1981/82 and I heard the view many times, that SWK was being kept alive by god to prevent ETB becoming prophet; from what I recall it wasn't a joke, people really seemed to believe that.
So much so, it coloured my view of ETB hugely. When he became prophet I was serving my mission, and my companion at the time was a relative of ETB. I remember the day the Mission President called us to tell us SWK had died, my comp and I couldn't sleep that night and she talked about ETB for hours and hours.
My comp of course loved ETB dearly and I saw him in a different light after that.
All I can say now is I still love that companion dearly. The church, not so much (understatement).
I know this isn't all that relevant, I guess it was just something I wanted to verbalise. I'm pretty churned up about the church at the moment, saw The Book of Mormon Musical in London last night. Loved it but I found it painful too.
I'm impressed that that view was so widespread, but everybody immediately changed their view/tune when ETB became profit. From that point on, he was like unto god.
I'm thinking of making a short trip to London for a few days (I'm across the North Sea). I'd like to see the BoM, but also a few other sights. I understand there's a London Eye that's impressive. I'd never heard of that until I was over here in Europe.
I wish it could be Alice Cooper. Seriouly, they will NEVER admit that Monsoon is less than capable of being the seer and revelator. In fact, with Alheizmer's, he might actually have a revelation or two or at least see some things like JS did. A TMB I was talking with the other day said that the Catholic Church was so wrong in letting the previous pope quit. I argued that Benedict XI knew more about his own health and wellness than anyone else and if he did not feel he could handle such a position, at least he had the wherewithall to step-down. The TBM just stood there looking at me with her mouth hanging open like I was nuts. Unless Monsoon actually starts blabbering about alien spacecraft in conference or something like that, seeing Kolobians in the temple, he will not step down and nobody will make him. He has to embarrass TSCC big time to get kicked out.
If they did things like normal businesses do, then they'd see who is best at seeing and revelating and that guy gets to be next. HA HA....none of them can see or revelate. Never could.........
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You don't get it... The Jesuits had to take over for the anti-Christ to come. Benedict XVI was pushed out, so the final pope could come in and conspire with the anti-Christ...
The mormons are just clueless about this... (Or Monson is the anti-Christ)
personally I hope it is intermittent enough that they keep trying to let him speak at GC, then he will toss out some wild idea. (like missionaries can be 16 now or maybe tithing is now 5%, Gays can get married, etc)
near the end GBH to me seemed to focus on things that were really productive, like telling people to be nice, I got the feeling he was dulling a lot of the points that separate mormons out from the rest. Maybe in his own way he was trying to do good from his position the only way he could without outright telling people I think its a sham too. IDK a true believer could argue that he is teaching people to be good like any prophet should. (ect for BY, we don't talk about his teachings much :))
When I was a kid in the 70's, I was visiting family friends in France. The Mom woke me up and said,
"We are going to the airport to meet The Prophet!"
Joseph Fielding Smith was speaking at conferences in Europe. We met him and he was sweet and child-like. He was disoriented and thought he was in California. He didn't say much, his handlers were all around, but he did greet us kids warmly.
I saw him later on tv, speaking at the conference. He sounded ok, but I knew he was not. I knew he had dementia. This was revealing to me that the prophet may or may not be "all there". The leaders will just prop him up and pretend :/
But, for me, he surely acted like he did in the last two GC's.
Regardless, I hope BKP steps up and messes up TSCC worse than it is now, so that everyone can see TSCC for what it is-irrelevant, not-inspired-or-instituted-by-God, and hateful, just like BKP himself.
this has been rumored for over a year, there will be no change, they will let him live out his life as president. No stepping down like the pope. The others can run it, just like with SWK, ETB and Hunter.
GBH was the man behind the curtain during the tenures of SWK, ETB, and HWH, all three of whom became incompetent at some point or another.
Like GBH, Henry Eyring will lead behind the scenes as long as TSM remains alive. If BKP doesn't die first and actually succeeds TSM, AND if BKP re-appoints Eyring as 1st Counselor, expect Henry's leadership to continue, 'cause BKP doesn't have many functioning synapses left either.
And remember, Perry (91) and Nelson (89) are next after Packer--not exactly candidates of youthful vigor. So if Henry is able to hang on, he's very likely to fulfill a GBH-type leadership role as 1st Counselor for a long time.
Am I mistaken in thinking BKP commenced some years ago on a career of painting pretty pictures? Perhaps he could be farmed out harmlessly--although that would clear the way for these neonazis.
for Udork to be the holy profitogawd. I think there's a chance that he could be the one to make almighty Mormon god change his mind on the order of succession thing. After all, God spent eons trying to perfect his ultimate pretty boy creation. He probably wants to put him front and center. He was only practicing with Paul Ryan but he didn't get the accent right so he let the Catholics have him.