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Posted by: behindcurtain ( )
Date: April 27, 2013 08:24PM

The Illuminati is a cult of the most powerful people in the world. Supposedly it has a tight grip on the CIA. Mormonism is also tightly involved with the CIA. The Illuminati does not care when people try to expose it, because it knows the general public will not believe in it and its goals, which include world domination through deceit. Maybe the Illuminati has a vested interest in dumbing down Mormons so that Mormons will be preoccupied with other things and won't blow the whistle on the Illuminati. Illuminati control of Mormonism is very possible, especially considering the weird temple rituals and the close ties the Illuminati has with Freemasonry.

The Illuminati has the habit of publicizing destructive events before they happen. The practice of sending new missionaries to the temple for the first time is a lot like this. The temple teaches the missionary that he is in a very weird, destructive cult, but the missionary can't leave by that time. The temple ceremony is a foreshadowing of what is to come for the missionary: lies, etc.

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Posted by: Mr. Neutron ( )
Date: April 27, 2013 08:30PM

If Mormonism is controlled by the ever-elusive Illuminati, they're doing a piss-poor job of control. Thousands of people leaving per year? Pop culture having a ball putting the whole operation down? A severe diminishment in tithing funds? Befuddled by simple questions from objective documentarians and reporters?

If it's true, we don't have to worry either about Mormonism or the Illuminati.

And concerning the latter, I'd like just one person who mentions them to come up with some concrete evidence.

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Posted by: memyself ( )
Date: April 27, 2013 08:36PM

Wonder about that myself..

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Posted by: Bradley ( )
Date: April 27, 2013 08:57PM

Mormons are the best tools ever. The fact that the CIA and FBI like to recruit them is very telling. Intelligence services all over the world want brainwashed employees.

I would expect the illuminati to open doors to promote TSCC imperialism both at home and abroad. After all, brainwashing serves their interests.

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Posted by: mysid ( )
Date: April 27, 2013 09:01PM

Illuminati? Someone's been filing fiction in the nonfiction section of the library again. It's a common problem with those who grew up reading the BoM.

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Posted by: canadianfriend ( )
Date: April 27, 2013 09:46PM

You've been listening to too much late-night radio.

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Posted by: squeebee ( )
Date: April 27, 2013 09:55PM

The Illuminati? That's ridiculous. Everyone knows the Mormon church is run by The Pentaverate:

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Posted by: Lostmypassword ( )
Date: April 27, 2013 09:58PM

I think the LDS church is run by the Darkti. The Speed of Dark is faster than the Speed of Light. Whereever light goes, dark was already there.

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: April 27, 2013 10:29PM

No, it's controlled by the looney naughty, rich old kooks with cribs on the bench.

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Posted by: Carol Y. ( )
Date: April 27, 2013 11:22PM

Like the Mafia, there are different levels of power. The Morg may be kicked out by the bigger guys at some point. Who knows? Secret societies are so intricately woven that only the ones at the very top know the real agenda.

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Posted by: jakers4 ( )
Date: April 27, 2013 11:30PM

Illuminati? Please, don't be stupid. The Illuminati doesn't exist. The church is run by the lizard people. Everybody knows that the tunnels under the Salt Lake temple lead to the lizard people's lair. All this Illuminati stuff was invented by the lizard people as a smoke screen to distract the masses from the truth!!!!!!

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Posted by: memyself ( )
Date: April 27, 2013 11:33PM

lmao >*:*<

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Posted by: jakers4 ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 01:43AM

Why do you think this is funny? You might be laughing now. But you won't be laughing when the Lizard people's agenda is fully realized.

You won't be laughing when the lizard people have finished infiltrating the world's governments and religions. When this happens we will be living under a one world totalitarian police state!!!!

You won't be laughing when your wives, daughters, and sisters are hauled off to lizard people fertility camps. Where they will be forced to breed an unstoppable army of human/lizard hybrids.

You won't be laughing when you will be forced to undergo a lizard person anal probe. If you're lucky they'll use lube.

You won't be laughing when your probing is broadcast live over the Internet. Access to the live stream will be sold through low cost monthly subscriptions. It won't be everyone's cup of tea. But hey, even lizard people need to make quick $$$$!!!

You won't be laughing when you are forced to live in a lizard people work camp. Your days will be spent making weapons for the hybrid army, high quality yet inexpensive web cams, and larg vats of lube.

I know this all sounds a bit "out there". So I get it if you consider yourself a skeptic. But when you laugh at things with such dire consiquences you aren't a skeptic, you my "friend" are a skepdick!!!

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Posted by: Itzpapalotl ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 02:02AM

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Posted by: jakers4 ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 04:15AM

Itzpapalotl, why do you think I'm a poe? I know you might think that lizard people selling anal probe porn over the internet is a little over the top. But consider a few things:

1. The Mormon Church is run by lizard people.
2. Mormons love porn and they consume a lot of it!!!

Think about it, the lizard people used the Mormon Church to engineer a market for porn that they are going to use to fund their hybrid army!!!!!!!!!!! Sure I can't back any of this up with things like facts or evidence. But it's fits the narrative I've built in my own head perfectly!!!!! THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!

And if that not enough to convince you. I'd like you to consider two more points:

1. ┌∩┐ Pow!!
2. And now for the other hand: ┌∩┐ Shazam!!

You can't argue against that can you? That's what I thought!! Checkmate! I win!!

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Posted by: Alpiner ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 01:56AM

I always laugh at people who propose the notion that the .gov (or even the smarter pieces of the .gov, like NSA or DIA or CIA) is controlled by a conspiracy (ie, New World Order, Illuminati, Zionists, etc.).

I worked for both the state of Utah and the feds. The people in government have little to no incentive to succeed at their jobs. There is little initiative or ambition, because the pay is the same and there's no competition; if you're dissatisfied with your service at the DMV or the Justice Court, what recourse do you have? Short of moving to another state, absolutely none.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 02:04AM

If that were true then it would be the Illuminati controlling the illiterati.

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Posted by: darth jesus ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 02:09AM

** i have no evidence. just speculation. some people may say 'nay' but their speculation is just as good as mine. perhaps they are being led by the holy spirit. remember that many ex-mormons are still mormons, unable to look at things from a different perspective or even discuss things outside their little box. watch how i get flamed for this comment and you'll see what i mean **

given that mormons are cozy with freemasonry and freemasonry runs at the deepest levels of any government, corporation, secret and not-so-secret organizations, i would say that the lds is just another tool.

i mean, look at mormonism. people very easily infatuated with leaders just because they are leaders for example. it wouldn't surprise me that they would support a one world order.

one world government based on the "council of 50" (smith's version) or 1992 by former president b5sh.

by the way, the president of the european union welcomes a new world order. read on.

who elected him by the way? show me.

PM of the uk:

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Posted by: Carol Y. ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 02:58AM

I'll check out the links.

By the way, the Statue of Liberty was the idea of French Freemasons. It's the pagan goddess Isis. You may know that.

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Posted by: jakers4 ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 04:23AM

Actually the Statue of Liberty is a representation of the Roman goddess Libertas. They chose Libertas because she represents, you guessed it, Liberty.

Sure Libertas could still be considered a Pagan deity. But then I don't see how this ties the Statue of Liberty to some shadowy conspiracy.

But if it was a representation of a lizards person on the other hand..... Well that would change everything!!!!

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Posted by: Carol Y. ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 07:30AM

Liberty Enlightening the World

Illuminati means enlightenment

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Posted by: jakers4 ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 07:46AM

Yeah I find this website a little more credible.

And yeah that statue was originally given the name "Liberty Enlightening the World." But I think you're really reaching if your argument is Illuminati means Enlightenment. Therefore the Statue of Liberty is part of an Illuminati plot because it's original name contains the word "Enlightening".

But for the sake of argument, let's assume the Illuminati are real and The Statue of Liberty is their work. How in the hell does a big ass statue in New York Harbor help advance their plans for world domination?

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/28/2013 07:47AM by jakers4.

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Posted by: Itzpapalotl ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 02:15AM

I suggest you read "The Psychopath Test" and "Them: Adventures with Extremists" by Jon Ronson.

I get it...I've been where you guys are with the fear of the reptilians and the greys and the big ol' eye in the sky watching our pie.

Realistically, it's probably the greens who really run things.

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Posted by: dogeatdog ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 03:44AM

Yea I get it's all 'conspiracy', BUT I would tend toward believing TSCC has some sort of ties with some 'secret' organization. As someone who usually believes there is always more than meets the eye in any given situation, I lean toward TSCC being shady in more ways than one.

Don't know what you've seen or read but I do think the pics and videos of church leadership doin the 'weird' handshakes with other govt leaders are interesting.
Plus the church borrowing money early on essentially from the Rothschilds...
Then there's the whole theory about the JW and LDS both being started by the Illminati.

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Posted by: 12345 ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 03:45AM

Isis is a wonderful being; that's all.

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Posted by: helamonster ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 04:23AM

Guild of Calamitous Intent.

The Sovereign has a particular interest in Mormonism. The Phantom Limb, not so much.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 04:35AM

Conspiracy buff/buffoon, Fritz Springmeier, in his article, "Moriah and the Mormon Leadership: 13 Bloodlines of the Illuminati," ties Mormonism to the "Illuminati" in ways that make Joseph Smith look like a celestialized choir boy.

In straining to make a case that Mormonism is a diabolical operational arm of the Satan-hatched "Illuminati," Springmeier warns how the "Illuminati" lulls its victims into spiritual captivity:

"One of the things that the 'Illuminati' has done is instill apathy in people toward resisting their wickedness."

Really? See if I care. :)

Springmeier continues, undaunted:

"A letter by an ex-Mormon says it better than I could:

"'There are many reasons why these people (Mormons) will not come forth even though they know of the corruption in the Mormon Church. One is due to their belief in Mormon scripture which they associate with the Mormon church. The leadership has usurped power and authority over this scripture. Thus, the members of the Mormon church think that God expects them to support their misguided leaders.

"'This is much the rationalization that many Americans make about our government. They all know of the corruption, but rationalize that it is unpatriotic to talk against the government or ungrateful to complain when they enjoy superficial prosperity.'

"'It is interesting that this [ex-]Mormon recognizes that the process of the common man’s reaction is the same to both Mormon and American leadership, because as we will discuss the top leadership in both the reader will learn they are related to each other and both under the control of the Top 13 Illuminati families."

Springmeier then points to what he claims is the clear trail of the unholy "Illuminati"-LDS-Hemaglobin Link from Hell:


"The Mormon president, Ezra Taft Benson (considered a prophet by Mormons), was a fan of the John Birch Society. Most people who have not read my exposes' on both the Mormon Church and the John Birch Society will not be able to protect themselves from the 'Illuminati.' I don’t expose these organizations without a great deal of proof. I say this because I know from too many sources and too many angles that both organizations were initiated and have been run by the 'Illuminati.'

"The Mormon Church has long prophesied that they would defend the U.S. Constitution in the last days. They are moving to fulfill that with men like Bo Gritz, who sprinkles has talks with buzz words from Mormon prophecy.

"The John Birch Society was part of the process of the Hegelian dialectics of the cold war. They pretend to be the defenders of the people against the 'New World Order,' but they are fake opposition.

"(I have met quite a few John Birchers, and so far although they claim to be against the 'New World Order,' they want nothing to do with me, or to learn anything I might share with them. I can understand the leadership doing this to me, but somehow the rank-and-file have picked up on some of the attitudes of the leadership. I don’t know how the JBS has managed to do that but the antagonistic attitudes that they have instilled in their people toward people like myself are amazing)."

Little did I know that, according to Springmeier's pure-hearted investigation, I am related to the evil 'Illuminati' through the royal blood of its Satanists.

Springmeier explains:

"In my 'Be Wise As Serpents' book, I gave the genealogical evidence to show that the Mormon leadership connected to the 13th top 'Illuminati' family, the Holy Blood line of what purports to be Jesus' lineage.

(I never heard from my family that I was part of Jesus's lineage, other than that the Bensons walked on water).


"I’ve also showed numerous other connections between the Mormon leaders and the elite 'Illuminati' bloodlines. Ezra Taft Benson’s genealogy helps tie together some of the various parts of the 'Illuminati' beast.

". . . Ezra Taft Benson is a descendent of Alphonso Taft, who along with one of the Russell family (Russells are one of the top 13 families), William IL Russell, started the 'Order of the Skull and Bones' (legally it has been known as Russell Trust)."

But wait, there's more 'Illuminati' Mormonism on the way. According to Springmeier, it manifests itself Mormon involvement in drug-trafficking (you heard it here first):

"Archibald D. Russell (1811-1871) [was] a Mason from Scotland [who] set up . . . other ['Illuminati'] organizations. (Scotland has played a key role in the 'Illuminati.' One example of thousands is, Marriner S. Eccles--Governor of the Federal Reserve Board and supporter of FDR, who is member of the wealthy Mormon Illuminati Eccles family which came over from Scotland).

"The Russells played a key role in the opium trade in the early 1800s and early Mormonism. One of the Russell business partners was Warren Delano, Jr., chief of Russell and Company operations in Canton, China.

"Delano was the grandfather of President Franklin Roosevelt. The Russell and Company logo was a 'Skull and Bones.' The Taft family (which is also related to George Bush [and Ezra Taft Benson] by blood) and the Harriman family are two families that have been intimately connected to the 'Skull and Bones Order' (which is an entry point into the 'Illuminati' and on the surface just an exclusive fraternity)."

Springmeier then adds more Mormonism into the 'Illuminati' mix, this time courtesy of the CIA:

"Note: Since this was written Bo Gritz and the Mormon Church have gone separate ways. Bo Gritz, under the direction of his CIA handier, has been moving around talking to Patriots and establishing a community called ‘Almost Heaven’ near Kamiah, Idaho. Fritz’s newsletters have had several articles about Bo Gritz, including one entitled S.P.I.K.E., which is what Bo calls the training he is giving people."

And don't fprget that this all traces back, of course, to Joseph Smith:

"Joseph Smith, whose family practiced witchcraft, had many types of seals around their house which were used in magic. According to a magic book of 1830, 'Demonology and Witchcraft' by Walter Scott (pp. 165, 220-21), seer stones were to be anointed with oil and sealed with holy characters.

"In 1837, Mormon leaders performed such a magical sealing for James Cohn Brewster. (D. Michael Quinn, 'Early Mormonism and the Magic World View,' pp. 209-210)

"Joseph Smith had a cane with a serpent on the top of it and astrological seals below. Magick staffs, or canes, are important in Satanism. The seal of Mars was carved on the Smith family athame [ceremonial dagger], which was used by the family to draw circles for magic incantations. ('Early Mormonism and the Magic World View,' p. 142)

"In 1835, a ritual done by Joseph Smith to commune with a spirit messenger is recorder by Oliver Cowdery. Joseph Smith used two 'Seals of the Earth' to conjure up the spirit. Smith’s ritual was in accordance with the best occult guidebooks then, 'The Book of Knowledge' and Barrett’s 'Magus.'

"The 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon says that about itself:

"‘. . . [T]heir voice shall be as one that hath a familiar spirit . . . They shall write the things which shall be done among them, and they shall be written and sealed up in a book.’

(2 Nephi 26:14-17)

"The Mormon scholar Quinn writes,

"‘The Book of Mormon’s use of the word ‘sealed’ also suggested a magic context. Isaiah 29 uses the word ‘sealed’ only twice, but the Book of Mormon’s commentary on the chapter uses ‘sealed’ 11 times in eight verses'

(2 Nephi 26:17; 27:7-8)

"Throughout the entire text, the Book of Mormon refers to itself with the words ‘sealed’ or ‘seal’ more than 20 times . . .

"'Modern Mormons have often pictured a physical seal . . . but the Book of Mormon nowhere describes a physical seal, evoking instead the seal as a non-material restriction:

‘For the book shall be sealed by the power of God.’

(2 Nephi 27:10)

"Quinn goes on to describe more about the magical sealing of the Book of Mormon."

Springmeier himself goes on to explain how Mormonism's sealings have sealed its doom as a Satanic blood-brother of the 'Illuminati':

"[I am now going to] explain sealing rituals. I am doing this so that Christians can understand who a 'Keeper of Seals' is and also so that Christians can understand that Mormonism is closer to Satanism than it is to Christianity.

"This . . . hopefully [will] provide a written record so that Christians have an objective way to determine if someone who claims to be an ex-Satanist really is. I realize that some Christians don’t like to learn about their enemy and that is fine if they do not want to read this.

"On the other hand, I see people who are coming out of Satanism [including, he means, ex-Mormons] who the Christians are disbelieving. The Christians have no reference from which to determine whether someone is legitimate or not. And although I believe the spirit of God is an excellent revealer of men, I have to be frank: Even the best of Christians sometimes don’t hear what the Spirit has to say and could benefit from a written explanation.

"The closest descriptions of sealing rituals that I have found that matches the descriptions of Satanic Hierarchy rituals from people who have come out of the Satanic Hierarchy are the Mormon sealing rituals. For anyone wanting to do a study about how Mormonism is witchcraft, I suggest they read the scholarly book written by a Mormon scholar, "'Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," by D. Michael Quinn."

For Springmeier, Satanism, 'Illuminati' and Mormonism are one-in-the-same, a reality for him that seals the deal when it comes to completing the Mormon-'Illuminati' embrace:

"One of the most important things in Satanism is sealing. Everything is sealed. One doesn’t hear the term 'sealing' used a lot. I have read many books of the enemy to know how he thinks, and it is rare to have someone mention sealing. I had to learn about it from ex-Satanists [i.e., including ex-Mormons]. If one leaves off studying Satanism and begins studying the many cults and religions, one begins hearing about sealing again when one gets to Mormonism.

"Mormon men and women are sealed to each other in the Mormon temple marriages. The early Mormons were sealed to many spouses. The Mormon sealing is very similar to what is done in witchcraft, called "hand-fasting," and it is also similar to marriage sealing in Satanism."

All this, Springmeier claims, is convincingly demonstrated by Quinn:

"Quinn conclusively shows that early Mormonism was based on magic and witchcraft. Quinn--who is [an excommunicated] Mormon [once] in good standing--tries to point out in [his] book that these things can’t be held against Mormonism because most everyone back in the early 1800s practiced magic and witchcraft. Whether most people did or not, seems to me to be irrelevant as to whether it is O.K."

(Springmeier could have mentioned, but didn't, that Quinn writes of an 'Illuminati'-Mormon connection that was pitched to Mormon believers by James J. Strang--a charismatic, early- Mormon apostate who attemted to take over the leadership reins of the Mormon Church after Smith's gun-battle death at Carthage. For instance, Quinn notes in his book, "The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power," p. 211, that Strang--as leader of his own break-away Mormon faction--"imitated Smith's . . . radical innovations" by "introduc[ing] . . . an endowment ceremony ('Order of the Illuminati')." Ironically, Strang, in an ending strangely reminiscent of Smith's own demise, had himself publicly crowned king in 1850 and served in the Michigan legislature from 1852 to 1856, at which point he was murdered by "disgruntled followers."

Springmeier reall goes off the deep end in his effort to tie Mormonism to the 'Illuminati' by endorsing the anti-Mormon writings of William Schnoebelen. Schnoebelen, who claims to be a former member of the 'Illuminati,' authored "Mormonism: Temple of Doom," which Springmeier calls a "great book [that] show[s] the connections between the Mormon Temple ceremonies, witchcraft rituals, and Masonic rituals," adding that "he does an excellent job of showing and illustrating how the Mormon temple ceremony 9and] Masonic and Witchcraft rituals are simply the very same thing, with minor variations."

("Moriah and the Mormon Leadership: 13 Bloodlines of the Illumnati," Parts 1 nd 2, by Fritz Springmeier, September 2003, taken from "ConspiracyTheories qebsite, at:,d.b2; see also,

The trouble for Springmeier is that even some Christians (who really do believe that there is, in fact, a "Illuminati" at war with Planet Earth in secretly practicing blood rituals, human sacrifice and child molestation), nonetheless also believe that Schoenbelen isn't exactly the best oracle for the Almighty when it comes to raggin' on the Mormon Cult. .

One such critic is Mark Dice, author of "The Illumanti: Facts & Ficion," who labels Schnoebelen "a fraud."

Dice notes that in addition to Schnoebelen's 1987 79-page book, "Mormonism's Temple of Doom," Schnoeblen has authored a 120-page book on UFOs, titled "Space Invaders" (2003), as well as appeared in several films, including "Interview with an Ex-Vampire."

(Sounds already like this Schnoebelen is someone to be taken seriously--as in seriously taken in for treatment at the nearest mental-health facility).

Dice provides a further portrait of Schnoebelen, before going in for the collegial kill:

"Schnoebelen is an interesting character with white hair and a long white beard, looking somewhat like a wizard out of the 'Lord of the Rings' movies, which is perhaps a deliberate style he adheres to, for reasons that will become obvious as you learn more about him.

"He claims to be a former 32nd-degree Freemason and a Shriner. He shows a photo of himself in the Shriner hat, where he looks much younger, and he has what he claims to be his certificate showing he had achieved the 32nd-degree level of Freemasonry. This could very well be true.

"He says he was a former member of the Church of Satan and also shows a letter signed by Anton LaVey welcoming him to the group. This is also possible, as the Church of Satan does have an application that people fill out and send in to become a member.

"Since someone familiar with the occult would know the true possibilities of the teachings found within Freemasonry, it is certainly not far-fetched that a member of the Church of Satan would want to join the Masons to further his occult knowledge."

Enough of this damning with faint praise. "Now," writes Dice, "let’s examine the more far-fetched claims that Schnoebelen has been making.

"One of the most popular speeches Schnoebelen has given--which includes his testimony on why he allegedly left the 'Illuminati' and became a born-again Christian--is in the video, 'Exposing the Illuminati from Within,' which can be viewed on Google Video and YouTube.

"In his nearly three-hour lecture, Schnoebelen goes through his supposed credentials when he was climbing the ranks in witchcraft and satanic circles, until ultimately he claims he was inducted into the 'Illuminati.'

" . . . Most of what he talks about has been essentially considered factual by researchers of the 'Illuminati' and the 'New World Order.' He talks about how there is an agenda to demoralize society and indoctrinate the youth into a culture of immortality. He details some of the philosophy of Freemasonry and its connection to the web of secret societies and mentions the usual suspects such as the Knights Templars and Aleister Crowley.

"But just when you start thinking that this is a legitimate guy, his credibility starts to rapidly erode. One of the growing list of far-fetched claims he makes is that at one point in time in order to join the 'Illuminati,' he had to have sex with a demon as part of his initiation into the second highest level."

(Hmmmm. Sounds like what Joseph Smith might have said about Emma).

"Schnoebelen says:

"'What this means is you have to have sex with a fallen angel. And this is a very appalling and bizarre process, and it really nearly destroys every human being who has to go through it. It nearly killed me. I went through a formal marriage with a fallen angelic being.

"'And of course you understand there is a Biblical principle at work here which Satan is using. And that is when you have sex with someone, you become one flesh with that person. And what happens at that point is, you become so demon-possessed that it’s like burbling up here around your eyeballs.

"'I had more demons per cubic centimeter than the entire city of Indianapolis, let me tell you. And the result of that is you just become a pretty vile, evil person.'

Dice responds:

"Now, there are four different ways to look at this claim.

"One is that he is making this up in order to create a unique point in his story and get people talking about him so he can sell more books and make more money off of his lecture circuit.

"Two, he is an insane person and actually believes that he had sex with the demon in his own mind.

"Three, the organization he was a part of actually concocted a bizarre ritual in which he was given a hallucinogenic drug (LSD or peyote) and had sex with a woman who was dressed up in a costume, and he was so high that he thought he actually was having sex with a demon.

"Or four, one might believe that he actually did have sex with a demon and that he is telling the truth.

"His claims of having sex with a demon are actually quite tame compared to what he says in another video titled, 'Interview with an Ex-Vampire,' where he states that within the vampire subculture, human vampires exist and indeed grow fangs to feed off of human blood."

(Here's where Dice himself goesnutty, insisting that there really are vampires--of sorts):

"A small subculture of 'vampires' actually does exist but they are not walking dead who turn into bats and sleep in coffins. They are a small minority of the gothic subculture who do drink animal or human blood as part of their lifestyle. Usually they do not kill people for this blood but they have friends and fellow 'vampires' willingly give up a pint of blood for consumption or they purchase animal blood from butcher shops and consume it.

"But Schnoebelen takes this idea to an absurd extreme, claiming that to become a 'real' vampire, he drank the blood of a fallen angel and was then able to grow fangs which would retract when he was not 'feeding.'

"'He says as a result of 'becoming a vampire' that he couldn’t go outside during the day because his skin would blister and that he had to get a third shift job because he could only go outside at night.

"Now, [I, meaning Dice] certainly have an open mind. . . . While it is certainly possible that Schnoebelen was a Satanist and high-level Freemason or even a member of the 'Illuminati,' one has to see his claims of becoming a vampire as completely, 100% fraudulent and his claims of having sex with a fallen angel as highly suspicious and unlikely."

Ya think?

Dice (perhaps not realizing how he's nailing his own coffin shut) goes on:

"While it is my conviction that the 'Illuminati' continues to exist today--that they follow a Satanic philosophy complete with rituals and on some levels murder, human sacrifice, and child rape--none of the so-called former 'Illuminati' members have offered much evidence of their alleged involvement, other than information that has been circulating in anti-'New World Order' literature for decades.

"One motive is always that of money.

"Another is the purpose of spreading disinformation by mixing facts with fiction in order to make those who believe in the 'Illuminati' seem like they are all conspiracy theorists or science fiction nuts.

"Perhaps some who make false claims about being a former 'Illuminati' member actually believe that they are helping The Resistance, in that they are getting peoples' attention and educating them about other real issues involving the 'New World Order' and the occult.

"Another motive is simply that of attention.

"And yet another is that of personal entertainment on behalf of some and their friends by fooling people into believing their claims and watching the news spread on the Internet like an urban legend. . . .

"The fact that Schnoebelen is the author of seven different books on the subject of the occult, one may have a better understanding of his motives for exaggerations and outright lies about his involvement in such activities.

"In his video, 'Interview with an Ex-Vampire,' Schnoebelen admits that he never had a steady career and that most of his adult life he moved from one dead-end job to another. After college, he began working as a music teacher at a Catholic school but was fired and then, in his own words, says he 'had numerous, basically menial jobs until, really after I got saved. I never really had a super-duper job. I worked in a foundry for a while, I was as a security guard. I worked for the "Milwaukee Sentinel" as a person who went around and filled up the boxes at night with newspapers, so that was basically my wonderful career.'

"He also admits that he was a cocaine addict and later worked as a drug counselor when he got clean. So, in his own words, he never had a career until he got saved, which means, until he became a Christian.

"As you now know, this new career he had discovered was that of writing books about the occult, while fabricating and exaggerating large portions of his life in order to create a compelling and attention-getting story."

Dice continues his strange mix of buying into the 'Illuminati' on the one hand, while knocking down Schoenblen on the other:

"While large portions of his lecture, 'Exposing the Illuminati from Within,' are based on historic facts and philosophies which Schnoebelen then mixes with his own fantasies and distortions, his 'Interview with an Ex-Vampire' begins with a series of absurdities which even the most gullible and uneducated person should see as fictions.

"The interview starts with him recounting numerous supposed experiences from his past as he studied the occult, all of which get more absurd than the next.

"He begins with tales of haunted houses and ghosts throwing silverware in the kitchen, and later claims that a friend of his disappeared before his eyes in a magic circle during an occult ritual performed in a garage, and never returned.

"One can’t help but see a pathetic old man telling ghost stories as if they had actually happened to him, or a delusional schizophrenic who was once so absorbed with such stories that now his mind can’t distinguish them from reality.

"There is also an eerie look of joy and excitement on his face when he tells his stories, probably from his own amusement that his audience is listening to him as if his fantastic tales were real but, instead, the man is a walking, talking fictional novel.

"While a completely honest and well-meaning person may unknowingly exaggerate or inaccurately convey details from personal experiences from their past, Schnoebelen’s claims far exceed any standard of objectivity or credibility and upon even the brief examination found here it should be clear that he is not an authentic 'Illuminati' defector and is a complete fraud."

Earth to Dice: an "authentic Illumnati" is an oxymoron.

("Bill Schnoebelen 'Former Illuminati Member,' is a Fraud:
Excerpt[s] from Mark Dice's book, The Illuminati--Facts & Fiction," at:,d.b2I)


Come on, all you 'Illuminati'-Mormon Churchy conspiracy spinners out there, you can do better than this.

Thanks, though, for the laughs. :)

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Posted by: munchybotaz ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 06:41AM

Dude is a conspiracy theorist AND a bank robber ... how badass is that?!

I can't link to his you know what--four letters, starts with b, ends with g and "lo" in the middle. Google and you will find. It's pretty hilarious, starting with the little conspiracy cowboy floating head at the top.

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Posted by: darth jesus ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 05:26AM

council of fifty anyone? wasn't smith who was plotting against the us government to establish a one world government? wasn't he who nominated himself as the king of the kingdom of god?

he tried but failed to establish a nwo.

now who's to say they don't have a similar plan now a days? they might say 'no' but would you really believe them?

yeah right. it's the mormon church after all.

they lie about everything.

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Posted by: munchybotaz ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 05:41AM

Memyself, I like your handle. It reminds me of a poem I wrote, which also seems oddly apropos:

~ Me, Myself, and I ~

"Time to go to bed," I said
to me and myself,
but neither me nor myself replied.
So we went to bed
and had a threesome in my head.
Later, I told myself and me
what fun I had,
but I lied.

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Posted by: mr. mike ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 06:18AM

"The Illuminati is a cult of the most powerful people in the world."

Maybe in a Robert Anton Wilson novel (as a joke), but not here.

Mormonism is controlled by elderly men who have no idea what real life is like, not some sort of back-room conspiracy that secretly controls the world.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 06:37AM

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Posted by: Makurosu ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 06:44AM

Yeah, I think of how the powerful elite forces at the highest levels of government control everything every time I walk into the DMV.

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Posted by: lucky ( )
Date: April 28, 2013 07:44AM

The Illuminati is an anachronism. The Illuminati was originally created to oppose the Catholic church. The Catholic church successfully vilified the Illuminati.
People who are involved in secretive organized criminal activity love it when ppl go on wild goose chases for the Illuminati

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