It's probably not Monson - although he still looks OK in public there are plenty of stories confirming his mental health has declined.

Clearly its not Packer - he's hardly even lucid enough to give rambling talks.

So who is it?

The first presidency?

The senior members of the 12 apostles?

The business folks and the big 15 are just talking figure heads?

Some bigger sinister group like the Illuminati?

What are your thoughts?

Special interest groups within the Church office building such as the Temple Industrial Complex..

The Lord. Or maybe John Heder

My money is on the presiding bishop and the first presidency.

Heresy Wrote:
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> My money is on the presiding bishop and the first
> presidency.

Definitely the presiding bishopric, with a stamp of approval from the easily persuaded presidency.

Watch this vid to see who.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oRb99OkDv0

"Softball, that's how it starts. Then they get you wearing robes.... It was weird when we had to rename the planets. It's like the mormons"

The presiding bishopric wields a large portion of control over the business enterprises of the church.

The first presidency provides direction and oversight, but that could be limited by the mental capacity of the geriocracy in place at the time.

From legal standpoint Monson is legally authorized to do whatever the hell he wants. The church is structured as a corporation sole under the direct control of one person holding the position of president of the church of jesus christ of later day saints.

Follow the money. I mean the original money-whoever bailed out the "broke" church in the 20th century. that's where I would place my bet.

I've been looking for information on that for a while. The one thing that caught my attention was a blurb about a $500 million bail out in the 60's. I do t know how credible that sort is, but t would freak me out if it is true. Do you have any good info on 20th century bailouts?

I think you and I are searching into the same topic. I have seen that source. I don't know how credible it is. I found info about a loan the Kuen Loeb bank. Again I want multiple sources.

It all leads back to Rothschild.

I got it.

International Zionism. The Jesuits. The Crown. The 13 Families of the Black Nobility.The UN. Committee of 300. Lizards from the Drago system and of course, everyone's favorite, the Fremasons.

It's easy to think that only one group of rich white men are running the world but there are many factions of rich white men battling for control.

The cult is part of the propagation and money laundering division of the Zionists (duh). The main reason they inflate their member numbers is because $7B a year with 14M members is less suspicious than $7B with only 3M members.

It's a fucking con job and it's not just the cult. They're just a small piece of the puzzle.

Whoever has the pictures of all those old, crusty perverts fucking goats.

I agree.

cheezus Wrote:
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> I've been looking for information on that for a
> while. The one thing that caught my attention was
> a blurb about a $500 million bail out in the 60's.
> I do t know how credible that sort is, but t would
> freak me out if it is true. Do you have any good
> info on 20th century bailouts?

Try 19th century bailouts. Check "Under the Prophet in Utah", by Frank Cannon. He describes the refi of the church by the Kuhn and Loeb Wall St. (Rotschild) bank.

They are in deep.

Going by their works - haters of minorities, greedy, money loving, obsessed with ritual rather than people, haters of free agency..........I'd say Satan.

+1 lol

The highly connected money handlers are a tight network of the most powerful. Remember how in the temple ceremony, Satan said, 'You can buy anything with money.' The power gotten from having most of the world's wealth corrupts the owners, who will do anything to get more, even murder. I look at LDS Inc. as a small potato in that mafia. It sure looks like they are being screwed over, either from their own mistakes, or deliberatey.

Ensign Advisors end of stroy

IMO, it's the presiding bishopric and coherent first presidency members. The PB has huge clout, since they touch both the commercial and non-commercial sides of the operation (real estate, construction, etc.).

The church finance department.

monkeys

Who's running it? MONEY

Who's running FROM it? Lotsa folks like us.

I'm with most of you. It'd go with the Presiding Bishopric first (that was the name on my paycheque), with approvals coming from the First Presidency members.

I think it is the most lucid members of the Twelve, the Presiding Bishop and the Church's lawyers. I don't think any one person calls the shots.

Here they are folks:
http://www.lds.org/church/leaders?lang=eng

They all have a role in running the LDS Church. Who has the greatest role?
Probably the Presiding Bishopric and the counselors to the President.
It's all set up as corporations.


The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a Corporate Sole (501c3)
There are other corporations such as The Corporation of the Presiding Bishopric, as I recall.
There may be a list somewhere.



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Relief Society

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> Relief Society


hehe..probably true. You know the old saying: the man is the head but the woman is the neck that moves the head!

They could run the whole thing into the ground if they wanted to. If they knew how much power they had.



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Women need not apply.

Dave the Atheist Wrote:
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> Women need not apply.

It's my view that they men would not be where they are without the women pushing them!
Remember that women want that Celestial Kingdom and the only way to get it is to keep their men behaving! :-)

They need Silver Fox to make the rounds. Turning all those women's garments into kiddie pools.

If the women stopped raising children to bow down to the likes of TSM, it would all come to a halt.
Simple as that.

Every woman that leaves the church is the symbol for many many children in the future that won't be taken in and controlled.

Here's to all the women who had the courage to take their children and walk away!