Mormons don't like abortion.
There are many reasons for this but I have just figured out the main reason they are so against abortion.

Mormons believe that children who die before turning 8 go straight to the CK.

That turns out to be quite a lot of people. Way more than the crusty old white sex perverts that will be there.

The CK will be composed of about, maybe, a couple hundred white dudes and the rest will be aborted fetuses and souls who perished before they turned 8. That number could be in the billions.

These mormons need to restrict the number of souls in the CK and banning abortion would be the number one way to do this.

You've got to hand it to them. They do think outside the box.

What gives you the idea that Mormons want to restrict the number of souls in the CK?

What about all the empty planets in the universe that will be needing a HF, a Jesus, a Satan, etc, not to mention a CEO of their Men's Wearhouse?

The purpose of polygamy is to churn out the vast numbers of spirits needed to inhabit all the fetuses, embryos, stillbirths, etc, so that clothed in bodies, they can march through McTemples and baptize all the previous people who ever lived.

If Mormons wanted to limit people in the CK, why are they baptizing for the dead?


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Of course I might be wrong but DC 132 says no plural wives, no CK, so B for the D is moot.

The babies in the CK are not mormons. If there is another rebellion in heaven then the morgs will get their asses kicked.

Bad.

It's a numbers game.

They believe every child was chosen by god. Choosing to not have that child is denying a direct order from god.

So... God is the one who decides to give rape victims a baby....? That's sickening.

That's God for you. Truly the most unpleasant character in all of fiction!

Sometimes Elohim forgets his meds.

Believe what you want about abortion, but I think your logic is pretty tenuous.

From the LDS perspective, every soul has a pre-mortal existence. Mainstream Christianity has a lot more flexibility on when spirit meets body. Within the mainstream line of thought, you're terminating a potential life, not an actual life. Within the LDS line of thought, you're terminating an actual life.

Also, abortion directly contravenes the multiply-and-replenish bit.

I think you're badly misjudging a lot of people; given the hot potato abortion is, why would you ascribe opposition to malice?

My beliefs and judgments are not mentioned. Where are you getting that from?

The church is against abortion.
Children dying before the age of 8 go to the CK.
CK is full of non mormons.
The cult doesn't like this.
The cult wants you to live a full life so they can fleece you.

That is my point. Don't make it more than it actually is.

No one, religious or not, would kill an unborn child. Well, not anyone NORMAL that is. In my most humble opinion of course. Thank god we can still express opinions these days.

As I've always believed, "normal is only a setting on the dryer." There is no such thing as a normal human, we all have too many differences for there to be a normal.

You're pro-life, I'm pro-choice. Neither of us is normal.

I'm thinking your conclusion is wishful thinking. Perhaps that word "normal" doesn't mean what you think it means. I know several perfectly rational and "normal" women who have had abortions. It wasn't a choice they were happy to make but it was the right choice for them and they are all glad they made it.

I don't think any normal person would say it's ok to give more bodily autonomy to a corpse than a woman.

1 in 3 American women will have an abortion in their lifetime. I'm not sure what definition of normal you are working from here. And not to split hairs or anything, but abortions don't kill children of any kind, because a fetus is not a child.

A fetus isn't a child? Weak excuse - grasping at straws for an excuse. Just where the hell did you and I and all of come from then. Sorry, but 'pre womb' is life.

Not sentient beings.
If you aren't a sentient being, you don't get to have "rights".

Is an egg a child? A sperm? Is a fertilized egg a child? No, it's a fertilized egg. It will eventually become a child, if things go well. Something like a third of pregnancies spontaneously abort (miscarry) in the first trimester. Was a child killed? No.

Unlike a fetus, a woman is definitely a person. She has a brain, heart, arms, legs. She can feel pain. She has very real risks to her health with a pregnancy (there is a reason there is a metric called: maternity mortality rate). She has a personality, hopes, dreams. Her needs come first. Her choice.

a pregnancy where the development has gone horribly wrong and the fetus is not developing normally at all.

This is a medical decision and happens more frequently than you seem to understand.

“We have no revelation on abortion”Didn’t you assume Mormons were pro-life? That’s certainly the image their church attempts to broadcast, and most Mormons, in fact, mistakenly believe their church opposes abortion and regards it as an objective evil. But not so.

Indeed, the Mormon church accepts abortion for a number of reasons. The Church Handbook of Instructions, approved in September, 1998, states that abortion may be performed in the following circumstances: pregnancy resulting from rape or incest; a competent physician says the life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy; or a competent physician says that the “fetus” has severe defects that will not allow the “baby” to survive beyond birth. In any case, the persons responsible must first consult with their church leader and receive God’s approval in prayer (156).

This same Handbook, the official policies of the Mormon church to be followed by all local church leaders throughout the world, also claims: “It is a fact that a child has life before birth. However, there is no direct revelation on when the spirit enters the body” (156). Previous teachings by former Mormon prophets referred to the unborn child as “a child,” “a baby,” a “human being,” and decried abortion as “killing,” “a grievous sin,” “a damnable practice.” Spencer W. Kimball, the prophet who died in 1985, taught, “We have repeatedly affirmed the position of the church in unalterably opposing all abortions” (Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 189).

It appears that this “unalterable” position, constantly “affirmed,” is just another in a series of doctrinal and moral teachings that Mormons have reworded, reworked, rescinded, or reneged—though never officially renounced. Such is the quality of the Mormon belief in “continuing revelation.” Don’t expect dogmatic or ethical consistency. Rather, look for expediency and conformity with “the times.”

A further statement in the Handbook says: “The church has not favored or opposed legislative proposals or public demonstrations concerning abortion (156).” While the Mormon prophet claims to speak the mind and will of God, he can neither figure out when the unborn child becomes human or if it is God’s desire that we protect the unborn unconditionally.
Your Mormon friend will offer the excuse that his church leaves many decisions to the free agency (free will) of its people, and that abortion is one such concern. You might point out the irony in the fact that the Mormon church has no hesitation or uncertainty in making the following declarations:

1. “The church opposes gambling in any form” (including lotteries). Members are also urged to oppose legislation and government sponsorship of any form of gambling (Handbook, 150).
2. The church also opposes [correctly, of course] pornography in any form (158).
3. Church members are to reject all efforts to legally authorize or support same-sex unions (158).
There is no need for a member to pray for divine guidance or seek church approval for such activities, for there will be no divine or ecclesiastical finessing of morality to permit even an occasional bingo game. A prayerful game of poker, unrepented, will bar the member from the temple and ultimate salvation; a prayerful, by-the-book abortion, unrepented, won’t.


Found at:

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/mormon-stumpers

I am assuming this is true. If not please let me know. I do not wish to post anything that is untrue.

Where this posting describes Mormons I would substitute the Mormon Church as many Mormons do not approve of abortion.

Or maybe, Mormons are just misogynistic?

Plus, they feel anyone who has sex should "face the consequences". In other words, having sex means you should be punished.

Even if you are married.

Even if you are married, with children and can't afford another while giving your existing children a decent life.

Even if you are married, correctly using birth control, and the current pregnancy puts you at risk of death or permanent harm -- which would effectively leave your children without a mother.

Even if you are (or aren't) married and didn't consent to sexual activity.

Because what it boils down to is that if a woman has a man's penis in her vagina for any reason then she must be punished for that.

I can't tell you how angry hypocritical anti-choicers make me.

The main opposition to abortion is the idea that life begins with conception. In Mormonism, this means that the "spirit" enters the body when it is a single-cell zygote.

However, this is contrary to what the Book of Mormon teaches. In 3 Nephi 1:13 ( http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/3-ne/1.13?lang=eng#12 ) Jesus appears to Nephi and tells him that "on the morrow come I into the world." And then, the next day, in verse 19 it says that Jesus was born.

So clearly, if Jesus was able to appear to Nephi, he was not yet in Mary's womb the very night before he was going to be born! Clearly, according to the Book of Mormon, life begins at birth. So the Morg really doesn't have a leg to stand on. If a woman wants to have an abortion, according to their own scripture, she's just clearing out a bunch of cells that posses no "spirit."



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But I was taught that if a fetus dies in the womb, that spirit goes back to heaven to wait for a body. Did anyone else hear this?

My mother had a miscarriage before getting pregnant with me. My parents therefore believe that fetus was my first go that somehow got cancelled.

Also speaking of abortion. The mormons I know believe that the spirit enters the body anytime it chooses during pregnancy and therefore abortion isn't murder (since ofcourse the spirit will helpfully not have entered a fetus that gets aborted), also abortion is ok if the woman have been raped or risk loosing her life.

Mormons don't like abortions? I thought it depended on whose unmarried daughter was pregnant.

Brigham Young confirmed that the spirit doesn't enter the fetus til quickening - when the mother feels movement at around 5 months.

In the JST, Joseph corrected Onan's sin to refusing to lie with Tamar rather than coitus interruptus, but did not correct the KJV account of Tamar's being brought out to be burned at 3 months pregnant. A justified killing of her and her two fetuses for her "harlotry". So early Mormon leaders did not believe in life from conception at all.

Modern attitudes have more to do with the "virtue" of the mother than the status of the fetus .

The LDS church has gotten into hot water many times with other more conservative churches because Mormons DO allow abortion for the "normal" reasons--rape, incest, and health of the mother. While this is so, there are still many cases of Mormon women who were pregnant because of rape or whose health was threatened by pregnancy, who were advised to keep the child. One such woman was a cousin of DW, who was severely diabetic (type 1) and was having terrible problems in her second pregnancy. The doctor advised abortion; the church wanted her to have the child. She had the child, and died, as I recall, within the year from complications of the childbirth. Well, she was "with Heavenly Father" and all ticketyboo in the next life, wasn't she? But her widowed husband now had a small child and an infant and had to find a wife. By and by it worked out, but it was a sore trial to put on a small family.

Way to just ignore the female half of the population.

Yeah, this is Mormonism we're talking about! Each of the "couple hundred white dudes" will have his harem of little baby-factories.



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