this was one of the things that kept me in for a long time, my great great grandpa is the main account of this.
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I was glad to help you with your son. for reasons I can't post here, I doubt I will be on RFM anymore. feel free to look me up on FB (darren ashby) and send me a private message. I'd love to continue to help you.
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I went with the church of the fridg :) so why does the word fridge come up as a banned word here? ok so it is only banned if you say church of first. oh the irony that RFM bans words...
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the fact he asked for a list could be a very good sign that he is thinking critically. once you think critically about your own religion, that is all it takes. the other option is that he has a plan to reconvert you and answer all those questions, reality is that is all good too. Encourage him to do so. Take it slow, no pressure and let him reason out for himself. When Ronin came back w
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still hoping someone has found a scan of this. Also a thought anyone that can should store the churches current announcement somewhere as it is likely to change it again when they realize they just invalidated their own scripture.
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I am convinced that the 'first vision' was the story of moroni/nephi originally, it was later embellishments that created a separate FV story from the Moroni story. when you lay all the chronology out in a time line this fact becomes apparent. https://www.dropbox.com/s/mcujtsv6z4qris9/First%20Vision%20Timeline.docx
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He's related to me :)
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anyone ever find a scanned copy of this?
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if you want a guaranteed recommendation to lie, tell a leader you are losing your testimony from all these facts you are finding and you think you should tell your wife and kids... or any other ward member, you will be told to keep it to yourself guaranteed.
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one thing that sealed the deal for me was that supposedly JS was being persecuted for this first vision, look back and you can find people calling him a fraud for the book of mormon around 1827, but you can't find anything about the first vision at all earlier than 1832 and then no criticism. IMO, the first vision was concocted after one telling of the BoM story got a little sideways from the
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killing the goose...
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there is a link to the JSP which avoids any of those details about him bailing
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actually it is once a quarter, not a month
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guaranteed, get the book! BTW electronics have a lot in common with the banjo, more than you probably realize starting with 'frequency' and 'Harmonics' The math that describes how the strings vibrate is the same math that deals with the vibration of EM waves
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intuition is a powerful thinking tool, it can be trained to be more accurate I teach students to train their intuition to solve electronics problems in my book electrical engineering 101.
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in a book store to day, top left eye level book in the LDS section.... sheri dew on women and priesthood
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the church of marketing to the latter day saints
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Faith from a believers perspective is defined as the ability to ignore fact and set it aside to still believe. faith = irrationality from this perspective. so he didn't have enough faith, he was far to rational
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I'm 20 miles south, 9 for sure
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Truth doesn't fear doubt - Fridge Profet
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lawyer speak
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pretty plausible
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that line, 'he is a special witness' not had one is so insightful. Another example of lawyer speak, of course a man can testify with conviction 'I am a special witness' and everyone will assume they saw God or had an experience that each of us did not. what a subtle and sneaky form of deception...
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Exactly, when you force your brain to believe things that don't make sense, it is a recipe for hearing voices
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I need to set her up with my son, smart girls like that are rare in cache valley
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is this 1984 where 'supervisors' are being deployed into ward houses? does this guy really have approval further up the ladder?
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+1
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When corporations or individuals take advantage of others and hurt them from their position of power it is common feel at fault. given some of what leaders in the church have said on this reinforces that 'blame the victim' mentality your plight is not uncommon. first order of business is to remember it's not your fault when others are acting like dicks. you are in charge of you like they
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He didn't get his second anointing the legit way you see. and the 'you chose to leave us' remark in the same letter they are kicking you out? the passive aggressiveness is rife
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I have been thinking about this topic quite a bit, here is a previous thread to fill in some background http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,970841,971242#msg-971242 I have been discussing spiritual experiences with my family, I assert that I still have them, all the time. They just don't confirm to me the church is true. I think there is a real dichotomy for believers on this point.
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