Outside the Morridor, civil marriages prior to a temple wedding have been fairly common for a long time. I'm referring to the midwest. There are so many non members in the relatives that a straight temple wedding was viewed as rude. So some young couples have been willing to wait a year so that their whole families could attend. In two cases I was involved with, the couple's bishop or branch
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Summer, What you said is what got me listening to music. Insult me and I will first call you out. If you play stupid as she did, I won't take. So she gets pissy and blames me for starting it. Twilight zone stuff. Drives me nuts. On the expectations, I try to keep reminding her to reciprocate and it's off on. When I withhold, she acts clueless as to being to blame for anything. I don't
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Woodsmoke, Met at BYU. At first we got along and I was more into outdoor activities at the time. So we connected more on that. Camping, family stuff. Oddly we didn't talk church much. So I thought I was getting a rational person as far as church. I was totally inactive despite being a Zoobie. I never attended church. Couldn't stand it. But I had family in the area and had fun living life
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Thanks to all for the comments and suggestions. Since my initial vent was limited, I didn't give all the background, and we don't know each other well, you had to do some reading between the Lines. Even those comments that misunderstood me are useful for all people though not necessarily for my situation. Some read my comments to say I gave her a reading list or tried to force feed books i
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All I expect is for my wife to show me some respect when it comes to Mormonism. I don't expect her to quit the church, but I do think that she needs to listen to what I have to say, read at least one book I suggest, or read some online sites that I suggest. Instead, she refuses and can't see how that is an insult to me. If she really loves me as she claims, she should at least be willing to st
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I had a member tell me in the temple that he learns something new every time. So I asked him for an example. I remember thinking at the time that his idea was blatantly false doctrine. His "revelation" was something that was really his minds attempt to soften absurdly harsh doctrines of eternal punishment for deeds done in this life. So if a person hears the gospel and rejects it, bu
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I work with an ex-JW. He's atheist now. Nicest guy. Great family man, always doing stuff with his wife and kids. One of the few rational guys in the office. I work with a ton of myth believers. Not Joseph's Myth, just random Christian myths. When he first told me he grew up JW, I said I was raised in a cult too. We commiserated a bit and laughed it off. Back in the day when I shille
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Based on the linguistic style, Ziller must be Darmok from Star Trek. Meant in good fun. http://www.startrek.com/article/one-trek-mind-deciphering-darmok So the proper response to Ziller might be: " Shaka, when the walls fell." Or Ziller and RFM when the fog came.
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Great questions. Since I left, a BIL started labeling me as a secular humanist. I said I'm not. I'm just a person who likes truth and reality, unless I want to read or watch some fiction for entertainment. But to him, if a person doesn't align with a religion, the person has to be a secular humanist. If that label means I use my mind and heart instead of burying my head under dogmatic dung, w
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Random thought that popped into my partially Neanderthal skull while my brain was waking up for the day: In the essay in which TSCC admits Smith used a rock in a hat to "translate" the BoM, they tried to legitimize the obviously fraudulent nature of treasure digging by saying it was a common occurrence. You know, everyone was doing it so it must have been a legit thing that actually
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Mine was a huge let down. Generic stuff about being blessed to go on a mission, marry in the temple, etc... If I stayed "worthy." My father never let me read his but one day when I was in my twenties he was sitting in his room reading it. He had gone through illnesses for many years and he was confused what the blessing meant by "will be blessed with good health." Clearl
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Hassan's site has some very interesting articles about how they converted people. The tactics are similar in some ways to those used by Moism except they seem to use seminars whereas mishies use one-on-one sessions. They both get people to act friendly to you, with both having members target their friends. Both try to get people to join quickly, they don't tell prospective members the truth, e
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The guy at minute 2:25 reminds me of Mormons who say that when you pay tithing you will be blessed. This guy asks for $58 and tells people to expect a harvest. He even tells a story of a woman who paid and was blessed. At least in Moism, the final resting place of your dollar is hidden. With this guy, it's clearly going to him. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I7e9vnwTjJA
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+1000
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It's not just Mormons who don't know Prince. I work with a lot of people who had never heard of him. His music was simply not their style. And if they had heard of him, they often said his lyrics were vulgar. One coworker (not Mormon) said he didn't know any songs by Prnce. I couldn't name any either, so I randomly listened to a few off YouTube and didn't find the melodies interesting. Mind you
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Normally it is a logical fallacy to discount everything a person says just because he made one fallacious claim. But when a person lies nearly all the time, one is best to avoid listening to the person. That person may from time to time say something truthful and/or inspiring, but it is tiresome to wait around for that meager nugget to show itself. Mormonism is the poster child for this. Th
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Just what I needed. Thanks!! Your comment on swastikas led me to search on that term, which got me to this site, warpaths2peacepipes, which shows exactly where the cross would have come from. It's nothing more than a modified swasti symbol. Drop the angled arms and you have a cross with equal length pieces, which is exactly what the Rod Meldrum follower was using to claim the Mic Mac used Chr
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Yo GodZiller, Could you please provide the Rosetta Stone for that? No idea what each of those lines mean.
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So this claim is new to me. Maybe it's my fault for not listening to Rodney Meldrum drivel, but I had not heard claims about Gaspesians (Native Americans living in NE Canada) using a cross, and allegedly some other Christian or Hebrew customs, when the first Europeans post-Columbus met them. I did a quick search but didn't see where anyone had addressed this issue. Does anyone have links to
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Thanks for the link. Well said. Your comments remind me of how the church used baptism as an example of the so-called apostacy. By changing from immersion to sprinkling, the Catholic church changed the ordinances and thereby apostacized. Yet, the LDS church did exactly the same thing to the endowment yet they dont see how that should be apostacy by their own definition.
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Now that the morg has admitted that Smith had sex with other men's wives and there is no way that can be excused away, they have to posthumously excommunicate him as of the date of his first adulterous act. And since wouldnt have authority then, anything he claimed afterward has to be voided, including temples, polygamy, Books of Abraham and Moses, etc. Just something to point out to ma
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How does any member sit though that talk and not think, "What a moron?"
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And there are also no adulterers, like JS, just people who commit adultery. Oh wait, my bad, the Bible used the word adulterer, so there must be those. All so complicated.
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What a tool. Using his thought process, there are no intelligent or dumb people in the church, nor are there tall or short people, nor Africans, Asians, Europeans, etc. There are only non descript bags of bones with various levels of ability and challenges. If this is the case, then there are also no faithful, not-so-faithful, or people having a "crisis of faith" because these are
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Thanks for pointing this out. I read comments in both links and Ash's responses convinced me that I definitely do not need to waste any time reading his books. Wanderer cleaned Ash's clock. And he kept clobbering him. But true to form, Ash insulted W and made absurd comments. One thing that was particularly annoying was hiw A would ask W a question. W responded and did indeed address the
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Just a thought I had today since a couple of Mo relatives posted photos of the Provo temple. It sure looks fancy. Lots of money put into it. No real use for all the fancy. They say they put their best into it to give a good offering to the lord. But why would a god want fancy things built to him if not because he likes people to kiss his behing? So IMO, mo temples are proof that the mo god
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My child graduated from there on Fri. Great kid who did well. The ceremony was held in the I center, a newish auditorium resembling the SLC conference center but not so big. My thoughts during the event: - Proud of my kid!!!! - This I center is the great and spacious building discussed in the BoM. Well, one of them. - Mormons sure like fancy buildings. From my experience with Mormons, they
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But burned shit gets in the air and you have to breath it in, sort of like the camel dung Afghans burned for fuel. Yuck. ;-)
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My TBM aunt sent me an xmas gift. I had told here a few months back that the church was a fraud. She tried to change my mind but I asked her if she would believe the earth was flat if I begged her to. She said No. So we stopped talking church and changed to TV programs and family stuff. So with xmas here, she sent me a gift from Deseret Book. A Mo Tab music cd. Do TBMs not have access to
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Cant beat that story but I can relate since I was naive as a teenager. I had never understood what they meant by petting or masturbation. So when I went in for an interview with the bishop and he asked me if I ever masturbated, I was speechless. No clue what he meant, except that it must have had to do with the little factory which I had never started up, but which had of course tried to tell m
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