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4 years ago
Amyjo
jay Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > it sounds like i'm welcome into the Jewish Family > if I'm jewish, but i may not be welcome into the > Jewish family if i'm not jewish . . . You'd be more welcome into the Jewish family if you were never Jewish and converted. Or were Jewish and returned. But if you are Jewish and converted to Messianic Judaism o
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4 years ago
Amyjo
I received the obituary in May for my little sister from Family Search on her birthday. It included the address where my family lived when at the time of her passing, when I was but a child myself. We were living in Salt Lake City then. When I visited there in June I made sure to stop by at the street address to visit our childhood home. Only the driveway where my brothers and I walked was le
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4 years ago
Amyjo
There is no immigration by them or their families to Israel. Their children are leaving whenever possible, and their numbers are shrinking. They are not being replaced by future generations. If their numbers are growing at all it is because of their having large families, and due to polygamy. "Among Arabs, Muslims have the highest birth rate, followed by Druze, and then Christians.[130]
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4 years ago
Amyjo
If he is representative of Messianic perspective that may help to explain why. I attended a Messianic congregation before finding a regular Jewish one where I live. I became convinced that Messianics are another cult like Mormonism is. Very controlling from the center out. They keep a tight leash on their members. Lapin keeps a tight leash on his family from what I could tell (and his tel
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4 years ago
Amyjo
Rabbi Lapin says, along with his wife, that if any of their children were to leave their Jewish faith they will be disowned, disavowed, disinherited. I thought that was cruel of them, like the Amish do to their own if a child leaves their religion. It isn't an Orthodox Jewish religion they adhere to. They are Messianic Jews (if I'm not mistaken as they on the Christian Broadcast Network.)
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4 years ago
Amyjo
The Mormons can't hold a candle to Judaism until they can take their lessons from a woman the likes of Golda. :o)
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4 years ago
Amyjo
Tevai Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pollythinks Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > "As for Golda Meir, she is one of Israel's > great > > leaders and ambassadors.": > > > > Interesting. Mormon women can't hold > priesthood > > authority, yet the Jews have a w
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4 years ago
Amyjo
I lurve it when I'm contacted with pioneer or closer family history information to go with the genealogy bug I must've inherited from my mother. Tonight my "find" is that my great great grandmother traveled with the William Snow/Joseph Young Company, leaving Kanesville, Iowa on June 21, 1850. It took them 102 days to make the journey west to Salt Lake City. She was only ten year
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4 years ago
Amyjo
Ell-hay, Oh-nay. Brigham Young and Joseph Smith alike both favored slavery. Neither was opposed to it. They both owned slaves! Lincoln was not presupposed to fringe cult religions on the frontier taking off like wildfire with lunatics running them. He had enough else to do running a country. Young and Smith could've borrowed a lesson from Lincoln if they were more pro-American ins
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4 years ago
Amyjo
Hey babylon, just don't go wearing your heart on your sleeve, so it don't get mistaken for something else.
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4 years ago
Amyjo
I've heard it is much more painful and more complicated for adults to undergo than it is newborn infants.
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4 years ago
Amyjo
My children's paternal grandmother who was a Jew was orphaned at age five when her parents were murdered in the Warsaw ghetto. She may have been one of the 2,500 children Irena Sendler saved from the ghetto because she was adopted by a Catholic family in Warsaw so the Nazis passed her over when they went door to door checking to see who was Jewish and who wasn't. One thing that helped to spare he
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4 years ago
Amyjo
That is amazing Tevai. Your intuition is very keen to have been able to be that discerning. Some people ascribe it to a 'sixth sense.' Whatever, it is what it is. What a discovery!
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4 years ago
Amyjo
warren jeffs Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The ability to be a missionary or salesperson > which is emotional intelligence.Motrmons have a > knack for getting in to successful corporate > careers and high political office. Psychopaths and conmen also have an uncanny ability to get in successful to corporations and high political office, as w
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4 years ago
Amyjo
There has been a real watering down of intelligence among the Mormon gene pool since I grew up in the church. That includes the emotional intelligence, if there ever was one. It is shrinking as the more intelligent Mormons have been leaving en masse. There's been a brain drain of gargantuan proportion in the cult of Mormonism, and those people as well as their children are not returning.
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4 years ago
Amyjo
The ones who do are the ones who get out and stay out.
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4 years ago
Amyjo
You might try having your DNA run to see what it shows if you have Ashkenazi or not. It would be interesting to find out. I did 23 and Me for Mother's Day in 2017. Then it revised its findings this past spring and tells me I'm suddenly nearly 40% Swiss, with a strong likelihood of German mixed in. Which wouldn't be surprising given that the Swiss in my ancestry came from Bern, which is German spe
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4 years ago
Amyjo
Yes, I've heard it called that. And also, "To be Jewish is to belong to a tribe." There is a strong sense of connection more than family. It is interconnectedness. It goes beyond anything I felt as a Mormon. It is intergenerational and international. It is past, present, and future. It is eternal. Hannah Senesh wrote 'Walk to Caesarea,' while she worked on a kibbutz there before
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4 years ago
Amyjo
https://www.exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,2243518,2244145#msg-2244145 I was at puppy obedience training so missed your post until after the thread had closed. Just wanted to add to your response that it is still fairly typical today for wealthier Jews who want to immigrate from their home country they choose to immigrate to America. The poorer Jews tend to immigrate to Israel. That includ
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4 years ago
Amyjo
dagny Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > >> > Perhaps that is what helped them to survive down > through the centuries. That and divine > intercession which they also (truly) believe in. > > > That "divine intercession" with the holocaust was > another huge help. From the ashes of the Holocaust rose Israel, like a
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4 years ago
Amyjo
Jordan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "If I were to seriously consider living in Israel > I'd visit there first to see what the > neighborhoods are like. I worship at a > Conservative Synagogue here. They aren't too > common over there. So I'm not sure how that would > play out. Nor am I all that observant" > > I met qu
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4 years ago
Amyjo
My daughter lives in southern Israel. Regarding humidity, on the seashore where the Mediterranean sea climate mixes with the breeze the humidity would be tempered a bit by the location. Inland though I should think the humidity would feel more heavy. Lakes have a lake effect which is cooling around the area closest to them. Best times to visit Israel are spring and fall. My daughter m
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4 years ago
Amyjo
If there were any gold plates near Jerusalem they'd have already been mined by now. "There's money to be made in them thar hills!" They call Jerusalem the "City of Gold," but that carries a symbolic meaning, associated with the promotion of Jewish learning.
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4 years ago
Amyjo
Perhaps that is what helped them to survive down through the centuries. That and divine intercession which they also (truly) believe in.
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4 years ago
Amyjo
“Our Creator would never have made such lovely days, and have given us the deep hearts to enjoy them, above and beyond all thought, unless we were meant to be immortal.” ― Nathaniel Hawthorne
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4 years ago
Amyjo
Beth Chapman was a devout Christian. She decided at the end of life her cancer was a test of her faith, and that she was going to accept it as the "ultimate test of her faith." It was, and she did. She had something that you can only wonder about. At the end of the day, for Beth Chapman faith was her ultimate lesson. Which she handled with grace and dignity as well as she c
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4 years ago
Amyjo
Smith was a snake oil salesman who could charm people with his charisma until it cost him his life. He ran a one man show though considering it was only he and he alone who amassed whatever wealth the "church" built up until his demise. Young did pretty much the same, whatever the "church" amassed during Young's tenure ended up in his pockets and bank account leading up to
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4 years ago
Amyjo
That's really neat to know. I've thought Tiberias was a pretty lakeside town overlooking the sea of Galilee. I hope you get to go back also to re-visit Tsfat. That's not a nice way to remember your trip by some misogynistic miscreants. Real estate prices are so high in Israel I don't know how middle class people can afford to buy or even rent there. There have been class revolts in recent
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4 years ago
Amyjo
elderolddog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > It's a given that I'm not that bright... > > Amyjo, I do not understand the above explanation > of the purpose of life. > > A reality tv star whom you didn't watch, but who > left a big imprint on many people’s lives, died > after refusing a proffer of medical treatment...
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