So, by your logic, I guess we should not be critical of Muslim treatment of women. Some LDS women cherish the role set out by TSCC, so by your logic, we should not be critical of the treatment of women by TSCC. Just because some women have been brainwashed to accept a second class role does not make it right. I have NO problem with women cherishing the role of wearing a burka, cleanin
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I will bet more Mormon women clean the toilets of their churches as a calling than Catholic Churches, should we celebrate that? Playing a "bigger role" is really just lipstick on a pig if they are still denied power.
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Women should NOT be pacified by being allowed to pass out bread and wine. Women should be allowed to have full access to all positions of power. Sorry, passing out wine and bread is NOT a power sharing position.
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maybe being allowed to polish the pope's shoes? Wash the priest's garb? I'm sorry, but being "allowed" to hand out bread and wine while being denied any real power is still demeaning of women. Women deserve to share power in all aspects of life. They should NOT be bought off by being "allowed" to hand out bread and wine. I'm sorry, but women are denied power in both th
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OK, so maybe it's not so new, but Britain has just recognized Druidry as a religion. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/02/britain-recognizes-druidry-as-religion-for-first-time-gives-it-charitable-status/?hpt=C1 Anyone have any idea how many Druids their are in Britain vs. number of Mormons?
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There has probably been thousands of gay suicides that go unreported. You are saying that Tyler's death makes sense because it was reported world wide. Well, that would mean that all those other suicides would be senseless. That somehow, Tyler's death has more value because it makes sense and people are learning from it. I am sorry, but that is totally insensitive and demeaning to all tho
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Learning is only for the surviver, it does NOTHING to change the nature of the incident. Learning only happens AFTER the event, things that happen after the event have no affect on the event itself. Yeah, some people will try to make sense of a suicide, but that is ONLY FOR THEMSELVES, to feel better about themselves, and has NO AFFECT on the actual victim, Tyler and his death. Trying to make sen
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I truly do not know that is more pathetic, your not knowing that it is senseless, or your picking at my use of the word senseless. I think the absolute worst is that you claim that because I used the word senseless that I am shifting the blame to Tyler. And you are making a huge assumption that society will actually learn from this. Such thinks have been going on for a very long time and it
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Your post seems to me like someone that does not like the results trying to discredit the poll with vague innuendo.
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I know that there is an increasing awareness of the high suicide rate among gay teens. I also know that many people are getting much more active in trying to prevent it. BTW, to me this would be equally tragic if it happened to a straight kid. Too bad you don't seem to feel the same.
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I'm so angry, so sick of this shit! http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/50383510-68/clementi-rutgers-bridge-sex.html.csp
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For some reason, I think this confernzzzzzzzzz, um, oh, humph, I'm awake. As I was saying, for some reason I think there will be a lot of stuff aimed at repairing TSCC's prop 8 damaged image.
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en passant Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > At the risk of being flamed here, I'm going to > jump in with a couple of relevant observations. > > Whatever may have occurred in the past and may at > some point occur in the future, at the present > time only a priest can consecrate communion in the > Roman Catholic Church. And despit
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Or are you just another Bona resorting to Ad Hominem when you lose a debate? BTW, if you do go back and read the thread, you will find that it was Bona that started with making personal.
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So, now it's not? Which is it? So, why aren't you bitching at Anon nevermo who claims "priests haven't been allowed to marry since the early middle ages". Ah, that's right, you have a personal vendetta going.
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Celibacy is CANON, um, now. But it wasn't before? The point you make about canon only validates the importance of the change, it represents a core belief and should not be dismissed as you do.
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Celibacy is a critical part of the priesthood, it is critical to the definition of what a current catholic priest IS. The pope defends celebrity as critical to the priesthood. But that definition of what a priest is HAS CHANGED. The definition of what a Priest is can change again. To dismiss important changes in the priesthood is pathetic, bona, even for you.
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Because you want to claim that celibacy in the preisolated should somehow be discounted so you can stick with your claims is pathetic. It is a substantive change that has had devastating affects. We already have decided that the spiritual view, the spiritual definition, of what a priest is and is not has changed. The spiritual definition of a priest can change again.
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All I see is you bitching because I used CHERYL'S Terminology.
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I see we ALL are in agreement, the RCC priesthood HAS CHANGED. Where Celibacy was NOT AT ALL IMPORTANT, it is very important NOW. Many people blame the RCC's current child molestation problem on this important change in the priesthood. This important change in the priesthood has lead to devastating consequences to untold numbers of families and children. Thanks for pointing out a specific ex
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Funny, I thought the RCC was over 2000 years old.
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What PROBLEM, EXACTLY, do you have with what I have said? My last post was nothing but a reiteration of my original point. Whatever it was that Cheryl say gives NO POWER TO WOMEN. So, where is your beef for going on and on as you have?
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I have studied lots of different religions. What I found was they all made claims but none offered any empirical evidence to back up their claims. I have seen no God based religion that offerers anything that is testable.
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My statement was in DIRECT RESPONSE to the statement "Last time I attended a Catholic funeral, a women officiated communion". There would be no reason for me to have made a statement about communion without Cheryl's statement. To try to take what I said out of that context is to try to change the meaning of what was said. I don't care what you think unlikely, The RCC has already ch
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What you think unlikely does not govern the Church. One can study the early church and see that the RCC has already made changes that make it unrecognizable to its origins. We do not need to have Cheryl correct us for anything, we can search back and see here original claim. "Last time I attended a Catholic funeral, a women officiated communion" "Officiated communion&quo
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It is CHERYL that is making that claim. Take it up with CHERYL. And again, the Catholic Church can change the nature of the role of priests even though you claim to have taken a class about Catholicism. The role and nature of Catholic Priests has changed in the past, it can change again, as can Mass. But again those are comments within the context of CHERYL'S claims about women presidi
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That would be Cheryl. I simply went along with what SHE said to make a point. If you have a problem with people claiming that women were given the ability to officiate over communion, take it up with Cheryl.
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If changes are not made to what is and is not the responsibility of the priest, then yes, you would be correct. But if they changed responsibilities, they could have a priest give the mass and a woman preside ONLY over the communion ceremony without giving full full priesthood . There is nothing that stops the RCC from redefining a priest's role in any way they want.
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