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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
…invent a mousetrap.” Albert Einstein, who ironically, encouraged Roosevelt in 1939 to build an atomic bomb before Hitler did. I suppose if the mice had a Hitler Maus in their midst, they might think about developing a mouse trap just for him.
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
Congrats on missing my point completely, yet again. I’ll state it again so even you can comprehend it, I don’t ‘believe’ in evolution because it’s not a system of belief, it’s a scientific fact. I trust the scientific method, far more than any other method of revealing the true nature of reality.
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
Congrats on missing the point completely. My point is merely that all life evolved, from less complex life forms. No complex life was form was magically “created” by a personal God. Science has plenty of great theories as to how life could have started, or gotten here from other planets via transpermia or abiogenesis, any one of which are better theories than anything in so-called ‘reve
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
Evolution does just explain the origin of human life, it explains the origin of all species of life and even non-life, viruses.
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
It’s great if you are a Bonobo, but better clear it with the Mrs first if you don’t want to lose half of everything you own.
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/letters/2023/10/25/letter-like-james-huntsman-i Kinda surprised more women are not riled up about this hypocritical abomination still being published and distributed as the ‘Word of God’ when in reality it was just a lame excuse for adultery that Emma never bought.
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
Congrats on missing the point completely. The point is science is not a system of belief. It’s a method of uncovering the true nature of reality. The question in the Pew Poll I linked to is,”Do you agree that evolution is the best explanation for the origins of life.” Yes I agree. I think it’s obvious. Virus are not alive, but carry all the DNA and RNA required for life. They
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
I’m not an absolutist. I’m a pragmatist. Everything is relative. I’m relatively certain Evolution is the best explanation for the origins of life on earth. Show me a better explanation and I’ll accept it. There’s a scale. I’m far to the Left of any religious or non religious demographic. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/02/04/religious-differences-on-the-question-of-evol
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
The great thing about science is it’s true whether or not you believe in it. I don’t ‘believe’ in evolution. I accept it as the best explanation we have for the origin of life on Earth, and the universe.
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
Dave the Atheist Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Which god do I not "believe in" ? You tell me. But the Christian I was speaking with meant the God of the Buy-bull.
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
His thing was,”Jesus said to love your fellow man as yourself, where do you get that if not from Christ? Our whole set of morals is built upon that.” Like I said to him,”The Golden Rule wasn’t unique to Jesus. Epicurus had the Law of Reciprocity 400yrs before Christ. That was one of the most prominent schools of thought along with Stoicism, which only grew in influence in the ancient Ro
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
Henry Bemis Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is why a theological view or morality that is > well- articulated, and however speculative, will > defeat a view of morality that is based upon > physical law, biology, psychology, evolutionary > theory, or modern science. I don’t think Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris would ever concede tha
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
bradley Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "That’s when he asked me where I get my morals > without believing in the God of the Bible." > > I wouldn't choose the God of the Bible as a role > model. People have a habit of dying around Him. My > body count is currently zero and I have no plans > to change it. Haha, love it!
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
Agreed and that’s the pragmatic point I was trying to make, that all cooperative species like people live according to laws. Laws of nature, laws written into their DNA, according to Logic and what works. Morality works. Laws work for us, for the most part.
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
dagny Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We want to survive and we want our children to > survive with a minimum of suffering. Reciprocity > and cooperation give the best results, which seems > to be a foundation for what we consider moral > behavior. I agree and like I said to him every species has their own rules they follow to survive, li
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
You better inform, Nippon.com they don’t know what they are talking about, https://www.nippon.com/en/views/b05213/#:~:text=The%20essence%20of%20Koshint%C5%8D%20is,wind%20and%20thunder%20are%20kami. “Shintō as it was practiced in the remote past, before the advent of shrine Shintō, is referred to as Koshintō (old Shintō). The essence of Koshintō is nature worship. It is an animist
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
I said relatively non-existent. And backed it up.
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
I said relatively non-existent As in, relative to us, in the US Where our murder rate is 26x’s and rape 66x’s higher than in Japan, yet they are not Christians and we are, for the most part. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Japan/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime How do Christians explain that?
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
I had an interesting conversation with a young co-worker of mine who asked me that question, after so told him I grew up Mormon and quit believing in prophets and God on 9/11, when he fell deafeningly silent. He said, so what now? I said,”It was an existential crisis for me. I did a lot of soul searching and I finally landed on Spinoza’s god, which is the same god as Einstein and Sagan
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
Like every other war on the Middle East?
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
I quit expecting self proclaimed ‘Prophets’ to actually prophesize anything on 9-11. It amazes me that so many people still look to these men as the mouthpiece of God a generation later.
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
Exactly Nothing about either of those quotes is prophetic. The first one sounds like it was written by Kirton McConkey The latest on sounds like it was written by ChatGPT. Neither says anything about God’s intentions on 9/11 or on 10/7. Neither of them speaks to the human right of people to defend themselves. Neither condemns the group responsible for the terrorism. They just condemn t
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5 months ago
schrodingerscat
12/12/23 - First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 2 days after Hamas terrorist attack on Israel, “We are devastated by the recent eruption of violence and loss of life in the Middle East. Violence of this nature is abhorrent to us and is not in harmony with the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is a gospel of peace. At such times, our hearts ache for all victims of
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6 months ago
schrodingerscat
Ok, but I don’t see the connection to mid East violence
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6 months ago
schrodingerscat
What does sex have to do with mid East violence?
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6 months ago
schrodingerscat
Right? I mean not a word about God’s intentions? No word from the big smiley faced guy upstairs about why he stood by and did nothing but smile while innocent children were mercilessly slaughtered?
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6 months ago
schrodingerscat
Despite the fact we have over $100billion in the bank we're saving for a big Welcome Home To Jesus party, you won't be invited unless you keep forking over 10% Gross, not net, income" thus saith the Lord.
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6 months ago
schrodingerscat
How about giving the West Bank back to Jordan and Gaza back to Egypt and calling it even? Or let Israel use our weapons to wipe Hamas off the face of the Earth, then their backers, before they get nukes.
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6 months ago
schrodingerscat
summer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This message expresses sympathy and concern, and > is designed to offend no one. The faintly superior > tone (..."not in harmony with the gospel of Jesus > Christ"...) puts it over the top as a > Mormon-crafted work. The PR person who wrote it > totally has the church's number. Yeah wha
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6 months ago
schrodingerscat
Yeah, if you really believed in “loving your fellow man as yourself” you’d white out the blatant racism from the ‘Mormon Word of God”, unless the God you worship is a racist bigot. 1 Nephi 12:23 (prophecy of the Lamanites): “Became a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations.” 1 Nephi 13:15 (Gentiles): “They were white, and ex
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