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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: December 22, 2013 08:04PM

Suppose I, or someone you knew, told you that they had been
visited by aliens. Suppose further that they said the aliens
had let them in on a new technology that will make $billions.

What kind of evidence would you require before you invested
your life savings into it?

What if I told you to telepathically connect with the aliens
and they would answer you by giving you vague good feelings.
Would you trust your life savings into that? What if I told
you that if you don't get the vague good feelings at first
then do it again and again until you do?

At what point would it be obvious that I was either nuts of a
con man.

What if someone told you that an angel had given an ancient
gold book to a farmer who translated it by supernatural power.

What kind of evidence would you require before you invested
your whole life into it?

Etc.

What's the difference? Why would a TBM look at these two
scenarios differently?

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Posted by: nonsequiter ( )
Date: December 22, 2013 08:07PM

Some look at it differently because of being brainwashed since birth.

Others because God is a very emotionally charged concept, where as aliens is not (usually).

Its all about the context and our culture.

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Posted by: Tupperwhere ( )
Date: December 22, 2013 08:14PM

so the craziest thing you could think of was people seeing aliens. That trick is getting old.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: December 22, 2013 09:28PM

not the craziest. But something that people understand the
concept of without necessarily believing in their existence.

Also there are a lot of people who DO believe in aliens.
Maybe you are one of them. For those people the same question
holds. Of all the people claiming to have seen aliens, what
would it take to convince them that my claim was true?

My point is that the level of evidence for a religious claim
seems to be a lot lower than for a non-religious but similarly
fantastic claim. We as exmos are often considered to be
stubborn and refusing to accept the "evidence" that the LDS
claim proves their case.

I've been going around with my brother the Institute Director
and SUPER-DYED-IN-THE-WOOL believer. He has accused me of
ignoring his evidence [I haven't ignored it, I've refuted it,
but to him those are the same]. My point is if it were a
similarly fantastic claim, how much evidence would a TBM
need? Why should they expect us, then, to settle for much
weaker evidence just because it's their religious belief?

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: December 22, 2013 09:38PM


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Posted by: left4good ( )
Date: December 22, 2013 08:15PM

Exactly. I've thought often about how a 2013 version of Joseph Smith would be seen.

The cricumstances in 19th century New York just lined up right for old Joe. His timing and geography were lucky.

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Posted by: zarahemlatowndrunk ( )
Date: December 22, 2013 09:26PM

But aliens aren't real, silly! Angels on the other hand, are as real as you and me. Angels are all around us!

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Date: December 23, 2013 04:11AM


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