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Posted by: nickname ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 04:10PM

Alma is a girl's name. It comes from a Hebrew word "almah," which appears throughout the Hebrew OT. In the KJV it is translated as "maiden" or "virgin." In modern English we'd translate the word as "young woman."

However, a few years back, the Mopologists were pounding their chests over a find in an obscure Dead Sea scroll showing what they claimed was a Hebrew man named "Alma son of Judah." They even started calling it "the Alma scroll." This seemingly provided evidence that the name "Alma" could (somehow) have been gender-neutral.

I was researching this a bit deeper, and I found an article by a professor Norman Golb, which mentions this so-called "Alma scroll" almost in passing. http://oi.uchicago.edu/pdf/dss_review_sandiego_catalogue_2007.pdf Golb has a Ph.D. in Judaic and Semitic studies from Johns Hopkins University and is a professor of Jewish History and Civilization at the University of Chicago.

In his paper, he mentions that the Mormons are getting their "evidence" from an old translation, done in 1962, which he calls a "pioneering" and "tentative" translation. Apparently, the scroll was revisited in 2002, and this time the name was translated as "Allima," an unrelated Aramaic name meaning “the strong one” (which makes a lot more sense than a man effectively named "Woman"). It appears that the mopologists have it wrong yet again.

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Posted by: Facsimile 3 ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 04:19PM

Great find! It is funny how frequently LDS rely on outdated scholarship.

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Posted by: danl ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 04:26PM

I'm a man an Alma is my temple name.

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Posted by: imaworkinonit ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 09:35PM


Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2014 09:36PM by imaworkinonit.

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Posted by: greensmythe ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 04:27PM

Well, it is a pretty weak argument...it is conceivable that Alma is a male name in some culture, just not in the Indo-European (or apparently semetic) context.

What I really feel bad about are the Mormon boys given the name Alma. I had a missionary companion with this name.

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Posted by: nickname ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 05:27PM

Well, there are certainly much stronger cases to be made against the BoM, but this one is kind of funny. The Nephites were supposedly a Hebrew-speaking and Hebrew-writing culture. So, had they existed, they would've had to have known the word "almah." Its just funny to have a book claiming to be an authentic history of a Hebrew culture that has, as one of its main characters, a boy named Sue.

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Posted by: jujubee ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 06:20PM

show me an male Alma on THIS continent, and I'd be persuaded.

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Posted by: Facsimile 3 ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 04:33PM

It seems like there was a male Alma in Joseph Smith's vicinity. Am I remembering that correctly?

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Posted by: nickname ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 04:40PM

There's a town called Alma, NY which isn't all that far from Palmyra. Maybe that's what you were thinking of?

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Posted by: Facsimile 3 ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 09:09PM

That is probably it...thanks nickname.

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Posted by: justemilynow ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 04:41PM

In Spanish it means "soul."

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Posted by: helemon ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 04:51PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma_River_%28Ukraine%29
"Alma is the Crimean Tatar word for an "apple"."

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Posted by: helemon ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 04:54PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma_%28given_name%29
"The exact origin of the name Alma is debated, but it is most likely derived, in the female form,[6] from the Latin word almus, which means "kind", "fostering", or "nourishing"."

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Posted by: Heartless ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 09:39PM

Alma means soul in Portuguese as well.

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Posted by: Shummie ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 04:42PM

like mine, as I'm a boy named Kay.

Although I've never personally met another male Kay but the stake president who signed my resignation letter acknowledgement was Kay Lines.

And I never got to shake his hand. :o(

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Posted by: sonoma ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 11:02PM

Sorry Kay, but your name isn't androgynous, it's downright girly.

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Posted by: anonow ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 11:50PM


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Posted by: sonoma ( )
Date: January 30, 2014 12:04AM

Different spelling.

K is very masculine!

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Posted by: plazadelsol ( )
Date: January 31, 2014 10:23AM

Sir Kay from Disney's sword in the Stone

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 04:42PM

It is.also Latin for foster as in alma mater. Can.also mean kind or nourishing or gentle

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Posted by: crom ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 06:11PM

Seriously, can you update "Alma" in wikipedia to include this?

Some one has inserted the apologist argument.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2014 06:32PM by crom.

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Posted by: nickname ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 07:46PM

Speaking of the Wikipedia article, I find it hilarious that Mormons searching Wikipedia for info about Alma will be greeted by a painting of a topless woman!

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Posted by: AKA Alma ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 06:47PM

When I was TBM I was a little bummed that my new super secret name was a girls name...

A few months ago I was talking to my girlfriend about Mormon temple stuff and mentioned that my secret name was Alma and being from a Spanish speaking household she said "that's a girls name" to which I said "yeah, it's also the name of a couple characters from the book of Mormon"



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2014 06:49PM by AKA Alma.

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Posted by: newnameabigail ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 07:07PM

It's the first name of my grandma from Germany. it is a girls name. Period.

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Posted by: elbert ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 07:50PM

In Spanish Alma means 'soul', fem. never used in masculine terms; no name for a man.
In Italian 'Anema' is soul also.

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Posted by: jacob ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 11:20PM

Anima

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 07:56PM


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Posted by: Makurosu ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 10:55PM

That made me laugh so hard, I'm almost crying. This is such a great thread. I knew that Alma was a feminine name, but I had no idea that "alma" actually means "young woman" in Hebrew. Wow, way to nail it, Smith. lol

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Posted by: beeblequix ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 09:53PM

Nice find nickname. Thanks.

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 10:17PM

My parents had female friend named Alma and Dad had a male first cousin named Alma. She was a nice person...him, not so much.

Ron Burr

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Posted by: NeverMo in CA ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 10:28PM

I have a good friend from Mexico named Alma. There are also elderly Italian ladies in my family with the name. I'd never realized until now that it's a male name in Mormon circles.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: January 29, 2014 11:14PM

James Garner plays an investor who is hyping a stock for a
company that makes "widgets."

He finds a typo in a newspaper about how NASA needs midgets to
work in cramped spaces assembling spacecraft components but it's
misspelled with a "w" instead of "m." It says "NASA" needs all
the widgets it can get." So he quotes this to everyone.

That's kinda what Mopologists do. find ANYTHING in print that
makes them look good, whether it is valid or not, and quote it
as if it were the last word.

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Posted by: NormaRae ( )
Date: January 30, 2014 10:32AM

I work with a girl named Alma. It's a very common name in the African American community, especially with people in the baby boomer generation. She laughed her head off when I told her I know two men named Alma. She said she knows lots of Almas but never heard of a man with that name.

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Posted by: munchybotaz ( )
Date: January 30, 2014 10:43AM

and wife of my atheist grandpa with the pink car. Grandma was never Mormon. Her Swedish immigrant parents were my only ancestors not to fall for Mormonism. The others all sucked it up like Hoover.

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