...with Biblical versus copied in them and the remains of horses, steel, cement, wheat, oats and barley, if names Timothy and Noah were unearthed on previously undiscovered tablets in the side of a Central American mountainside, if a family with a patriarch named Lehi were to be discovered having crossed the Arabian Peninsula and traveled to South America 600 years before Jesus was to have been born...

It still wouldn't make The Book of Mormon true.

How could it? Thomas Jefferson was said to have attempted to take the miracles out of The New Testament. It was a fools errand. This is like attempting to lose the horn yet retain the unicorn.

I find Mormon apologist's attempt to ground The Book of Mormon in actual artifacts and actual history laughable. What would it prove if they could? Nothing. God giveth liberally and upbraidth not.

These Mormons have the same credibility as Christians attempting to find Noah's Ark.

That's no moon.... That's a Noah's Ark Space Station!!

The history channel tells me so.

You mean the Hysteria Channel.

But at least all the Nazi stuff they used to broadcast was factual. I don't know what the hell happened there.

Be careful with the words 'Proof' and 'Prove(s)'...

they have a more specific, scientific meaning these days

(EXCEPT to non-scientific Mormons, that is)

Over the years (post Hofmann), ChurchCo has become less-and-less prone to point to science (incl. aritifacts, etc) as 'Proofs' of their claims; they leave those things to apols & business people who wish to capitalize on things (grasp at straws).



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I'll go you one further:

Even if the original golden plates showed up in reformed egyptian and Moroni himself appeared to assist with the validation of its translation;

Even if jesus christ himself showed up with his super hot new "holy" body and performed a miracle even I couldn't rationalize away;

Even if elohim took me back to his glass planet in the star system kolob and answered every question I've ever had;

I would still say "thanks but no thanks, I'll make my own way thank-you-very-much."

My not being a kolobian has nothing to do with the church being false (which it obviously is). It has everything to do with it necessarily requiring that I surrender my freedom which I refuse to do.

I'd probably pawn the golden plates, though. I bet they'd be worth a fortune. Maybe the church would buy them.

kolobian Wrote:
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> Even if elohim took me back to his glass planet in
> the star system kolob and answered every question
> I've ever had;
>
> I would still say "thanks but no thanks, I'll make
> my own way thank-you-very-much."

Even if He told you that you were His chosen Prophet for these the Last Days?

How much money are we talking?

female women.

How many do you want?

One is all I can handle. I guess I'll pass...

If thats the case you are brokering a deal with God. In that position I would feel like I had room to bargain and would demand all the glory for my salvation along with a promise that neither he or his followers would bother me again.

It's more probable that someone will find a set of tin plates painted gold at the bottom of a river near where Smith lived than for someone to find the 'real' gold plates.

tin - schmin

PLATES ARE PLATES!

finding (tin) plates would 'PROVE' (x)

If TBMs and apologists can't accept proof of the TSCCs falsehood, which is abundant. Why should they expect others to be willing to accept "proof" of its veracity.

luckychucky Wrote:
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> Why should
> they expect others to be willing to accept "proof"
> of its veracity.

Because of The Holy Ghost. He witness to all truth. You have to love a Godhood validation process. Makes The Scientific Method pale in comparison.

That always bothered me too. Doesn't the Holy Ghost have a serious conflict of interest? How can his testimony be reliable when he would be fired and stripped of his priesthood if he ever disagreed with elohim?

...has to see through Elohim's eyes.

It is kind of hard disagreeing with your eyes and ears.

He is the Helen Keller of The Godhead.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/152395/in-cartmans-mind

He was the mind and spirit of God.
James E. Talmage solved the arguments that had been raging since 1916 by declaring that the Holy Ghost was a third and seperate member of the Godhead.

Thomas G. Alexander has an excellent paper online which details the evolution of the Mormon concept of God.

...they would be illegible, as the weight of that much gold would have crushed each individual leaf into a flat sheet. The first few pages might be readable, but nothing else. The last few pages would be compressed into a near-solid block.

Aahhh, but they're "magic" gold plates.

IF the plates showed up, I'd bet they'd turn out to be iron pyrite.

(that's Fool's Gold...)


~VOW