The one who baptized me. I cannot stop crying. I hate how good of a person he is- I told him all about the weird crap I hate about the church like Kolob and all the temple crap and he had the most perfect answers for every single stupid thing I asked him and I'm so frustrated because obviously I'm not ever going back to the church, but he said something that really struck me...he was like you know, if God came down to the Earth today and said yeah, mormonism is a stupid load of crap...that would be fine...because it's a good life to live...I have an awesome life.

And I hate it because I used to feel that way and I did make better decisions at times when I was still active and like...he is my absolute ideal guy. I swear, he is effing perfect. And the guys I've been meeting outside the church are all like...guys who don't have their crap together...and it's like why does the most perfect guy I've ever met believe in all this stuff that I could never go back to?

I'm so frustrated...I feel like I've taken 10 steps backwards. Call me crazy for saying this but I almost feel like all that horrible crap that happens in the church would be worth it to spend the rest of my life married to someone like him.


FML. X A billion.

As to his life being good or not, what is he comparing it to, the Mormon version of the rest of the world? Frankly, I find many Mormons hugely immature and unaware of the realities of the word around them and if they are happy it is because ignorance is bliss.

I totally agree, but he's lead the inactive life...he's from Cali so he wasn't born and raised in the Utah bubble...he's kinda lived the best of both worlds and he genuinely is one of the happiest, most well rounded people I've ever met...he's lived in some crazy countries, he's not the typical naive mormon...it's just so confusing and frustrating...uggh.

If he is leading an "inactive life" then he is not living in both worlds.

Don't assume you know the life that he lived before Mormonism. One of the things about cults, is they prey on people who are really suffering. What he see's as the normal world, might in reality be something that is actually sick and not normal. The church does not have a monopoly on BS. In fact the reason the church is such a dangerous siren, is because it's evil is so smoothly hidden below the surface where it might not be as obvious as his past was.

What's good for him and makes him happy is not necessarily just as good for you, nor will it make you happy.

His being happy and content does not make you wrong about what you want to do with YOUR life.

There are many paths to happiness.

Again, he might be happier then he was before Mormonism, but that doesn't mean he is as happy as he could be without it. Though if it is where he wants to be, leave him to it. You are young, it hurts, it always will hurt, but the pain will diminish somewhat over time.

It does seem strange that some people in the church appear quite happy with their life. They are living a gigantic delusion, yet are happy. I suppose when you get right down to it, we are ALL living a giant illusion, because there's not a one of us on the face of this whole earth that REALLY knows what it's all about. So maybe it's just as well one stay in the Matrix (the church in this case) and live out one's days in ignorance. Who are we to say?

I've come to this point in my evolution as an exmo because I realized with sudden clarity that it's very likely that my brothers and sisters and my children will live out their entire lives in the Morg and there's not a damn thing I can do about it. I may as well stop thinking about and hoping that one day they will "wake up" as I have and see the truth about the church.

It's obvious that such thinking may have implications for someone in your situation. You could take the blue pill and re-insert yourself in the Matrix. But could you ever be happy there, now that you've been out in the real world?

It does seem like a difficult situation, and I hope you find the peace and happiness you deserve as you work through it.

You could pursue this relationship.

What do you think would happen?
How do you picture Sunday,Monday, Tuesday, etc.
Can you teach your kids beliefs you don't have?
Can you imagine what it would be like to divorce this person?
Can you imagine raising your kids alone?
Can you imagine being as dedicated the the church as you are him?
After 20 years of being involved with a church you don't believe in, how do you think you will feel? 30,40,50years?
Are you hoping you can change his mind about church?
Do you know his family? Do you think they are just as wonderful?
Nobody is perfect. He isn't. He isn't even perfect to you. He has a whole set of deal breaking beliefs. You want to pretend to believe like him so you can be with him? It won't be long before you hate him.
How do I know all of this? Because I did it.

ajhart Wrote:
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> I'm not ever going back to the church, but he said
> something that really struck me...he was like you
> know, if God came down to the Earth today and said
> yeah, mormonism is a stupid load of crap...that
> would be fine...because it's a good life to
> live...I have an awesome life.


I honestly don't mean to make light of this, so please don't take this the wrong way. At the end of the All About the Mormons South Park Episode, the little mormon kid says the same.exact.thing. Something like "I know it's weird and seems hard to believe, but even if it's not true, I have an awesome life as a mormon, doing goofy things with my family and playing games and being happy, so even if it is a bunch of lies, it's still a good life" Additionally, there have been MANY, MANY people here who have shared their correspondence with their parents or siblings about their disbelief, and the reply is almost the exact same thing your guy said, and almost the exact same thing from the South Park episode. "even if it's untrue, I have a great life as a mormon"... I think this is a programmed-in belief. I've read a lot of mormon blogs, and there seems to be a kind of pressure to hammer home that they are happy. Here is an example: http://skemos.blogspot.com/ (scroll down to the profile blurb on the right "...I've never had a bad day in my life,..." Really? (and this is a Cali mormon, and I don't know about the whole state, but the southern Cali mormons are pretty darn similar to the Utah ones) Is that even possible? If you read the LDS babycenter forum, it's post after post after post of misery, these same people are also trying to prove they are so happy and love their lives. Meanwhile, they sure seem to hate them. Mormonism seems to compel people to strive for a level of perfection that does not exist. So it's fake it till you make it. Talk about how happy you are and how much you love your life enough, and maybe it will keep you from thinking deeply. (not saying your guy is shallow, just making generalization). If mormons were as happy and in love with life as they so commonly proclaim, why does Utah have one of the highest Suicide rates in the country? Again, I'm not saying your guy doesn't love his life and isn't so happy being a mormon, but for most, they won't even let themselves consider an alternative, one ding to the armor and the suppressed human will start breaking through the cracks. If the "happy, happy, joy, joy, if it's a lie, the lifestyle is worth it" mentality wasn't so pervasive, it wouldn't have made it to South Park (the episode is online if you haven't seen it).

That was a very long winded way of saying take his claim with a grain of salt. He's not aiming to mislead you, he just doesn't know he's misled. If it was true that people would still be happy in the church even if they learned it wasn't true, we wouldn't see half the posts we see here, would we?

>
> And I hate it because I used to feel that way and
> I did make better decisions at times when I was
> still active

Of course you did. You were following the rules to stay active. But you know what happens when you make bad decisions? you LIVE. you grow up. You learn. You reap the rewards of vital life experiences, even if the outcome is regrettable. At your age, you are supposed to be living in the real world, testing the limits, learning how to function as an adult in society, without a bunch of rule books and adherence-checkers, watch dogs and overlords making sure that you stay on the right side of the street, color in the lines and only on church approved coloring books (because it would be catastrophic if you let the real world into your morgbot mind). You don't have to be polly anna, you're doing just fine.

and like...he is my absolute ideal
> guy. I swear, he is effing perfect. And the guys
> I've been meeting outside the church are all
> like...guys who don't have their crap
> together...and it's like why does the most perfect
> guy I've ever met believe in all this stuff that I
> could never go back to?
>

He doesn't have his stuff together. He took time off from college to go on a mission. Advancement-wise, he's no further along than he was 2 years ago, or no further than someone 2 years younger. What does he have together that other guys don't? A mormon view of establishment (marriage ASAP, kids while in school, etc.)? This is a facade of maturity.

You are young. So are the guys you are meeting outside the church. Of course they don't have their crap together yet. They're not supposed to. Are they doing anything productive? Going to school, for instance? So they party while they are in school, if that's not for you, find guys who are more studious than rowdy. If you're finding guys who are not in school, or don't have jobs, or have crap jobs with no ambition, then you need to pass them by. What you want is out there, but you're too young to settle down now anyway. So are the normal, non-church-indoctrinated guys. Maybe look for men a few years older? Or just date around and know that as you grow up, so will the men around you. If you're really anxious to meet someone who is established, maybe try online dating, at least you can weed through the ones with red flags before you meet them. But the bottom line is this: you are young, have fun, be fun, enjoy. This is the only youth you're going to have. The mormon race to marriage is just squandering the years that are supposed to be spent discovering the world, and themselves. Many mormon wives are unhappy, or I guess I should say first wives, because they didn't do much living before getting married at an absurdly young age, nor did their spouses. So please trust me when I say that this guy is not your one great, shining hope to find a guy who has his crap together. He's not. Not at all.

I know he seems like the perfect guy, but it's easy to from a distance, or on a working vacation (for all intents and purposes, I mean, it was no picnic for him, but he was away from home) when you both were in Russia. He also believes in things you very much do not. Even if you somehow got together, this would mean a lifestyle that's not the one you want, and your divergent beliefs will create issues between you. The perfect guy is one who fits, not one who would fit if you could just ignore a huge chunk of who he is. It's an unfortunate situation, I really do understand how painful it is.

> I'm so frustrated...I feel like I've taken 10
> steps backwards. Call me crazy for saying this
> but I almost feel like all that horrible crap that
> happens in the church would be worth it to spend
> the rest of my life married to someone like him.

No, no it wouldn't. You would not be able to maintain the facade for life. You would not be able to deal with your life revolving around something you don't believe. And the biggest unknown is how he would react when you finally tell him that you can no longer pretend to believe (and that's a when, not an if). The scenario you are presenting is akin to wearing a way too-tight dress for the rest of your life, just because you really, really like it, and it doesn't come in your size. At some point, you would realize that the dress wasn't really that perfect if it meant feeling so terrible in it, you'd see that it wasn't really the perfect dress, and you'd eventually have to take it off for your own circulation, respiratory and sanity needs.



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Biologically, it is impossible to be happy all the time. The chemicals in your brain that cause the feelings, simply can not do it. Anyone who says they are happy all or most of the time is lying. Or they are confusing content with happiness, which implies they don't really understand happiness.

Remember, in the temple, Mormons are taught that you can't know joy without knowing sadness. This doctrine, while true on certain levels, also makes it really easy to confuse joy as being the absence of misery. Joy is something more then that.

Aj
You are so lucky to get the advice you are getting. I had nobody in my court when I was your age. I don't know if it would have changed anything,but it might have. I just wish I would have had some people with wisdom, experience, and support to bounce my thoughts off of. There are people here with a lot of life experience. I don't believe that any of them would give you bad advice. I know exactly how you feel. It is a very difficult place to be. Hopefully you will take in what is being said to you and thoughtfully consider it.

Once you realize you've been duped and manipulated by a religious organization, there's no way you can "play along" and live the lie without it destroying you from the inside out. When relationships are involved, sometimes emotion over-rides reason and you need to step back, take a deep breath, and intellectually consider things more carefully.



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I am a returned missionary, and i remember talking to people about stuff like that all the time, all the time! and we had great answers for people. but let me tell you this...A missionary/convert relationship is different, the missionary is taught to be an example to the convert for the rest of their lives, so whatever your interactions with him are, his ultimate goal is to come off as a good guy who has his shit together, but believe me, everybody has their faults, hes just hiding his from you.

And so is he. They just happen to be different fantasies.

Freedom can be tough. It can have its mistakes, missteps, wrong turns, and blunders. It can also be very rewarding. I think that you're up to it. Somehow I don't see you as being the type of girl to bow your head and say yes, and to sit meekly in your seat while so-called "authorities" tell you to not wear pants to church, to not have extra piercings, nor a tattoo nor a streak of pink in your hair, nor sandals nor stockingless legs. I think that you're more than capable about making up your mind about a lot of things without being endlessly told what to do and what to think.

Giving up a treasured fantasy is tough, but it's the first step toward finding your real happiness.

When you catch yourself saying something like:

". . . . he is my absolute ideal guy. I swear, he is effing perfect."

then you should realize that's not reality.

NOBODY is perfect. But when you are in the early stages of a relationship, someone can come off seeming perfect. It's a temporary state of infatuational blindness that you will overcome with time and exposure. And don't forget that since he was your missionary, he needs to keep up a good front for you so you'll want to stay in the church. He has to set an "example".

He may be a good guy. But with religious differences you two wouldn't be good together. And he said he wouldn't leave the church even if he found out it was BS. He doesn't CARE if it's true or not. I see that as a deep character flaw.

Bravo, could not say it better myself.

I wouldn't do it, and I wouldn't even think about it!



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Enjoy your youth. Don't worry so much about serious relationships right now.

It's ok to see what different guys are like. And you definitely need some heartache too. It's how we all learn.

I know it's hard to hear, but you should relax.

Trust me; I've been there. I should have relaxed too.

What Raptor Jesus said, we're young. From what your message says, you're kind of uneasy about yourself. The wisest piece of advice I ever heard from a Mormon is that when you're single, take advantage of it and improve yourself. Work on what you think needs fixing. I'm in your boots and it's the best advice anyone's given me.

Victoria's secret has some great things to help you feel beautiful and womanly. Don't wait until you lose weight. They have some things that work miracles with the curves god did or didn't give you.

Plus, I will tell you a secret, most men prefer a woman to be a little too big, then too small. Models are picked, because of the way the clothes hang off of them, like a hanger, while porn stars very rarely look rail thin.

Unfortunately I don't think this girl will really take in everyone's sound advice here because nobody is telling her what she actually wishes to hear: "Go for him, girl!" Plus, how far away does he live from her anyway...since they were skyping? I married MY missionary at 19 against every wise persons' warning and divorced 7 months later. Think again, babe.

If I remember correctly, he's in california, she's somewhere in canada? I could be wrong.

I've been where you are.. your feelings could be my teenage-early twenties self. Don't despair cause there are a lot of good guys out there. I just got engaged yesterday to a different- perfect guy. We are both 25, with I think necessary life experiences to reflect on. I am still in shock...and this feeling I have right now..is worth the wait. Hold out for your hero. Someone that will put you first and will stand up for you.

Rewind back to my 19th year.. My high school sweetheart was out on his mission. I missed him sooo much and thought how lucky I was to know he would be my perfect match and I couldn't wait for him to return and when he came back...he had taken steps backwards(it was odd to say the least...I couldn't put my finger on it...I can now...I finally looked at the anti stuff when I was 22... had just graduated from BYU-I). He was the cool guy, handsome, and he was so sweet to me. I thought we would be together forever...I would never find anyone else as much like me. It's funny that you write this because I saw you write something on here about dating and finding good non-mormons or exmormons to date(should have posted then but was running late)...that was me on here a year and a half ago. I was asking for advice to meet people. I was like is there an exmormon dating site?? I need an exmormon..he will understand me!

I found a guy that grew up Cathloic(he goes to two masses a year with his parents...they are relaxed as well and super nice good people) and is me in the guy form...I swear...everything I want to be or hope to be. We met playing co-ed softball ten months ago and it's been a crazy hard road....but we've made it out on top and I've known from day one I potentially would love to marry this guy. We learned to communicate and he listens to my painful stories about growing up Mormon (I also have a lot of good stories to share too..not everything is bad at all---unhealthy...yes!) and he tells me all about his baseball stories and we talk about our future...but always try and live in the presence and enjoy the moment.

Your guy on his mission has the best intentions but he is living up to expectations and doing what people he loves believe in. He also leans towards good things because he is probably a good person. That was my boyfriend...and he was a good guy... intelligent, charming, witty, athletic, well rounded in all subjects....blah blah blah...went on to marry a beautiful...still haven't met her...but looks amazing girl. I can't imagine living Mormon and knowing the truth...but I understand why some people do. I got out before I got married so I am very lucky. A lot of Mormons live for the after life and simply endure...they don't dig deep and ask the hard questions. Everyone on here has given excellent advice. I just wanted to tell you girl, I've been where you are in a round about way. Everyone follows a similar outline in Mormondom...some just take it more seriously. I hung out with the jack mormons and the mollies...all growing up. The Elders are not the same when they return.

I did not know the kid that came home from Japan who had stopped writing me half way through his mission and said lets get married this summer on the first night I saw him post mission status. It is a fake world...the sooner you realize that the better...I waited longer than I should have because I was afraid. There are good guys out there...most men do not want to get married till they are 25ish. My fiancee's friends...are like 50/50 ready.. or married..a lot live together before they get married I have found in the real world. You'll find him...just do things you are interested in and you will find your match.

I had one serious relationship after my missionary... this guy was two years older than me- jack mormon like me..we dated briefly at BYU-I..then after we both graduated got back into contact and started dating again. I told him all my concerns about the church...he would barely listen to me. He is still going to his singles ward. We started dating the second time a year before I got the courage to tell my family I wasn't Mormon... I told this guy I couldn't do it...he would say things like just go to church..you don't have to accept a calling if it's one you are not interested in. I was like I can't do that. I am a black or white person. I know it's a made up religion now. We broke up but still remain friends because that's what him and I bonded on first...friendship. he respects my relationship with this new guy and he is happy for me. I want nothing more than happiness for both of my serious relationship pasts.

Advice I can give you and advice that would have been nice for my younger self would be: Develop yourself intellectually, be in tune with your emotions, ask a lot of questions-dig deep inside who your true self is, realize that there are other soul-mates that will make you just as happy or happier, follow the golden rule always, make more time for nature and quiet thinking, and be a forgiving person by nature.... just some thoughts on my mind that I have come to learn more and more throughout my journey leaving the church. I am not going to say it's a lot different when you are raised compared to being a recent convert because I just don't know. I know that it's been very painful for me but well worth it...ten fold! You just remind me of me and I am sure there are many out there just starting on their journey out. Hardest thing I have ever done...leaving the church.

Calling my family and telling them I am engaged yesterday..whole other story...wow!! They were nice but they were all like when's the date??....I don't have a date...next year sometime. that's not the important thing- really guys?? they are scripted.. haha...Mormon weddings...typical, but that's all they know. Everyone was very nice that I called and told. My aunt and uncle that I lived with in high school had just went to a temple wedding, they said they were just walking out of so and so's wedding. (ironic enough) I haven't spoken to them in about five months...we have lost touch slowly....we talk by e-mail or text message. The wedding was for a girl that is your age! yikes, I can't imagine getting married that young...take advantage of your early twenties...they have been fun for me...lots and lots of growing and maturing!!

It's still hard--every day is hard but it is worth it. Mormons are some of the nicest people I have ever met but it's a facade...there's no depth to them. I didn't develop myself more fully until after I got out- I could never stand up to people and express how I really felt! anywho, girl, I feel for ya. take care, I wish you the best for sure!



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I know your pain. I just ended things with a girl after a year of dating. I live in new zealand and she came all the way out here on a university exchange for 3 months, spent a large chunk of her savings to do it it try and make it work. I could see in her exactly what everyone has been saying. She's a BIC mormon from SoCal and all her family are super into the church, 2 of her brothers are bishops, her dad is some big wig in the stake (sorry i dont know all the terms). Its funny how all her brothers ended up getting married and live the perfect mormon life now, married to pretty young girls in the temple etc. However her and a couple of her sisters are yet to marry (she's 25), and I can see how she feels so inadequate, like she's not as valued as the rest of her family. It makes me so sad, because like you said about your guy, she is the nicest girl I've ever met in my entire life. She would make the best life partner, but I can just see how destructive mormonism could be, so without her giving it up, I just know things would be way too hard.

I tossed and turned about whether I should try hard to get her to see the light but in the end decided that its not really up to us to make that decision. I can see how deep down she knows it makes her miserable, but she will always have excuses about why it makes her so sad. The most recent one I got was that she is just "spiritually immature", and was begging me not to be angry at the church for her feeling the way she does. It makes me sick sometimes. So I really think you shouldn't be tempted into going back to the whole mormon thing. Like people have been saying, there are plenty of fish in the sea, as hard as it feels now.

Time is a great healer also...

Can I just say, I love that you guys don't sugarcoat things?? I'm the kind of person who needs to be told something straight up, and I truly do take it to heart. I wrote that at an extremely emotional time last night, and even having slept it off for a night, I feel better- after reading all of your replies several times, I've come to this decision- I'm going to go with what I know.

I know the church isn't true. Do I have real feelings for this guy? Absolutely. Do I know that pursuing him would lead to more trials and heartbreak than I can possibly imagine? After reading your replies, yes. You guys are absolutely right- knowing what I know about the church, how could I fake it? I can't. When I said he is my absolute ideal guy, I think I meant that he is THE ideal guy...but I really don't know if he is perfect for ME. Like I've said before- my kinda guy has long hair, tattoos and plays guitar in a heavy metal band. But he's the first and ONLY guy whose ever even made me think about marriage- I don't even want marriage, or kids!! It's just not who I am!!!But he makes me want it. Summer you nailed it- I'm such a handful, there is no way I could just live with being told what to do my entire life. Literally two days ago, I was walking around NYC and decided hey, I'm gonna go get my belly button pierced! And I did:) And I love it! And after that, I hung out with a heavy metal guitarist whose band opened for Cannibal Corpse! I would fail EPICALLY at the TBM housewife role.

A lot of our conversation last night is what's making it so hard to push him away- he was telling me how all of his friends are getting married and it freaks him out...how he doesn't even want to think about until he's like 27...and how his older sister is 25, graduated university, has a great job and is happily single as well...and how much he admires her for that. He said that's how it should be...and I agree! I almost wish he was the kind of RM who was all gung ho about getting married and having kids- that would make this so much easier. But I can't do this to myself. When I'm 25 and if he's still not married (a hot RM not married by 27, riiiiight) then maybe I'll consider it. But right now is the time for me to be making crazy, stupid choices, learning from them, and growing as a person. The church would only prohibit that growth.

I feel so insanely grateful to have these wise words from all of you...every single one. I hope you know that your advice has genuinely had an impact on my thought process and decision and I can't thank you enough. You guys make logical sense, and speak from experience and that compared to me "having faith" makes a lot more sense to me.

@wittyname- brilliant reply. Seriously. I LOVE that South Park episode by the way haha and you're right- he totally is the little boy at the end! And the dress analogy- wonderful. I wish I could give you a hug. I so appreciate you taking the time to write that.
@RPackham- wonderful point. I reread that a lot last night. Very insightful.
@Forbiddencokedrinker- You are very right...I'm young, it does hurt, but I've got my whole life ahead of me.
@Beatnik- thank you so much. I feel a million times better already, and I'm definitely going to pass on the blue pill!
@mia- I'm so sorry you've been through this. It's brutal. But I truly do know how lucky I am to have the advice I get here, and I am taking it incredibly seriously...I always look at girls who are 15, 16 and there's so many things I wish I could tell them and I know that I'm probably that person for a lot of you- so that's only greater incentive for me to take all this advice.
@Moroni Marten- that is very true, the reconsideration process has already begun!
@pharrell- excellent to get advice from an RM. thank you!!
@imaworkinonit- very, very good point. Huge wake up call.
@seamaiden- definitely hard not to think about it haha but I'm not going to do it!!:)
@Raptor- you are right. It's so out of character for me to be thinking about stupid things like this- I love flying solo and flirting, and being young! I really do need to get this out of my system and relax.
@theimmortalironfist- That is great advice. I definitely have a lot to work on, and if I ever do get married I wanna be the best spouse I can be- why not start improving myself right now, while I'm young and single?
@newlyreleased- I'm almost a little relieved no one told me what I wanted to hear- that would make things even more confusing...when you get a unanimous answer from people who have been in your shoes, it's a good indicator they know what they're talking about!
@holistic- Awesome reply!! Thank you so much!! And congratulations on your engagement!:) I wish nothing but the best for you!
@NZ_Nevermo- I'm so sorry to hear about your situation...I think you did make the right decision though- you are incredibly strong. More great advice from someone whose been in my position, thank you!

I love you guys. My feelings for him are real, but I know what the right decision is. And it doesn't involve a life full of lying, pain and tears. Thank you all:)

Hope you're feeling better. Everyone here is really helpful in these arenas, it's good to have a community like this.

Hi, you said

"I told him all about the weird crap I hate about the church like Kolob and all the temple crap and he had the most perfect answers for every single stupid thing I asked him"

Thats not my experience with any missionaries and the only one who made a real effort to enquire eventually just told me to stop all communications etc.(Shunning request).

My experience of missionaries is Yes they come across as really nice,almost perfect even but we don't know them really. Alot of Mormonism is all about image and alot of how they act and treat us so kindly is for the purpose of recruitment.

One of my missionaries told me how wonderful I was, how I would make a great father, what a privilage it is to know me, she made me promise her I would be her friend forever etc etc

Throw in a few questions about Heads in hats, garden rocks, marrying other mens wives, blacks are less valiant beasts and whatever and its clear I'm not going to join the cult after all my initial enthusiasm and suddenly I'm told to GO TAKE A HIKE!


PS additional edit part. It's a few years since and I can kind of laugh about it at times but at the time I was absolutely devastated that she would do that. I thought I knew her almost like a close family member/friend etc. All those promises she made to me. All complete emotional bribery for recruitment. My experience with Mormons is that are so FALSE but can't help it.



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