Recovery Board  : RfM
Recovery from Mormonism (RfM) discussion forum. 
Go to Topic: PreviousNext
Go to: Forum ListMessage ListNew TopicSearchLog In
Posted by: soutskeptic ( )
Date: February 29, 2016 10:38PM

Author and historian Dave Nelson to speak

This lecture should be outstanding!

Place: The Red Lion, St. George Utah

Time: 2 PM

Date: Sunday March 6th

MORONI AND THE SWASTIKA
Mormons in Nazi Germany
By David Conley Nelson
While Adolf Hitler’s National Socialist government was persecuting Jews
and Jehovah’s Witnesses and driving forty-two small German religious
sects underground, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
continued to practice unhindered. How some fourteen thousand Mormons
not only survived but thrived in Nazi Germany is a story little known,
rarely told, and occasionally rewritten within the confines of the Church’s
history—for good reason, as we see in David Conley Nelson’s Moroni
and the Swastika. A page-turning historical narrative, this book is the first
full account of how Mormons avoided Nazi persecution through skilled
collaboration with Hitler’s regime, and then eschewed postwar shame by
constructing an alternative history of wartime suffering and resistance.
The Twelfth Article of Faith and parts of the 134th Section of the
Doctrine and Covenants function as Mormonism’s equivalent of the
biblical admonition to “render unto Caesar,” a charge to cooperate with
civil government, no matter how onerous doing so may be. Resurrecting
this often-violated doctrinal edict, ecclesiastical leaders at the time
developed a strategy that protected Mormons within Nazi Germany.
Furthermore, as Nelson shows, many Mormon officials strove to fit into
the Third Reich by exploiting commonalities with the Nazi state. German
Mormons emphasized a mutual interest in genealogy and a passion for sports. They sent husbands into the Wehrmacht and
sons into the Hitler Youth, and they prayed for a German victory when the war began. They also purged Jewish references from
hymnals, lesson plans, and liturgical practices. One American mission president even wrote an article for the official Nazi Party
newspaper, extolling parallels between Utah Mormon and German Nazi society. Nelson documents this collaboration, as well
as subsequent efforts to suppress it by fashioning a new collective memory of ordinary German Mormons’ courage and travails
during the war.
Recovering this inconvenient past, Moroni and the Swastika restores a complex and difficult chapter to the history of Nazi
Germany and the Mormon Church in the twentieth century—and offers new insight into the construction of historical truth.
David Conley Nelson holds a Ph.D. in history from Texas A&M University. He served six years as an officer in the United States
Marine Corps and is now an independent researcher and commercial airline captain.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/29/2016 10:40PM by soutskeptic.

Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: February 29, 2016 10:51PM

This sounds so very interesting. How I wish I were there to be able to join up at the get together.

Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: soutskeptic ( )
Date: March 01, 2016 11:51AM

David Conley Nelson bio:

David Conley Nelson received his Ph.D. in History from Texas A&M University in 2012. He earned an M.A. in History
from Texas A&M in 2000, a B.A. in French from the University of Houston in 1997, and a B.S. in Journalism from the
University of Oregon in 1975. David received the Juanita Brooks Award for the best graduate student paper presented at the
annual conference of the Mormon History Association in Aalborg, Denmark for “The Hübener Syndrome: How Mormons
Remember Church History in Nazi Germany.” He has received research grants from the European Union Center of Excellence
and from the Texas A&M History Department. David has studied German at the Goethe-Institut in Munich and at Texas
A&M, and French in Bourges, France; Jonquiere, Quebec, and the University of Houston. He holds a certificate in business
French from the Chambre de Commerce and de l’Industrie de Paris.
David became interested in the Mormon Church and the Nazis during a previous marriage to a Latter-Day Saint’s
member whose son’s questions sparked years of research into the subject. As a historian, he specializes in Nazi
Germany and the Holocaust, and concentrates on the relationship between small religious denominations and
totalitarian governments. He has a secondary research interest in the history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints—the Mormons.
When not researching and writing history, David travels the world as an airline captain. He served six years as an
officer in the United States Marine Corps. David lives in College Station, Texas, with his wife and three children and is
a passionate fan of the Texas A&M Aggies and the Oregon Ducks.

Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: Twinker ( )
Date: February 29, 2016 11:00PM

David spoke at the ExMormon Foundation Conference in October.

A tidbit: Although the missionaries converted many German Jews to the LDS church, when those same Jews were desperate for a country to immigrate to, they wrote to the authorities in Utah for acceptance of their applications. No such luck!

Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: poopstone ( )
Date: March 01, 2016 08:22AM

Wow! that sounds like a great read, It's a lot more different than the sanitized helmet hubner story that gets so much press.

Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: Up Up and away to the top n/t ( )
Date: March 02, 2016 11:06AM


Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: Bumper upper n/t ( )
Date: March 02, 2016 11:53PM


Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: Fun and Spring in Ut's Dixie ( )
Date: March 04, 2016 03:19PM


Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: Fun in Ut's Dixie for sure! ( )
Date: March 04, 2016 05:00PM


Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: Bumper n/t ( )
Date: March 05, 2016 02:43PM


Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: March 02, 2016 11:59PM

Is someone going to be able to video record Mr. Nelson's presentation/lecture? For those of us who won't be able to attend due to distance hehe.

I'd love to be able to listen to him speak if you're able to record it for YouTube or a radio online program.

Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: soutskeptic ( )
Date: March 03, 2016 01:43PM

This may me of Interest.

INTERVIEW WITH THE AUTHOR
DAVID CONLEY NELSON

Q: How did you become interested in researching the Mormons’ relationship with the Nazis?

A: Two people very close to me stoked my interest. My stepson learned in Sunday school that his Mormon forebears fled to Utah to escape American frontier persecution, and that missionaries had been oppressed abroad. In his seventh grade world history course, he discovered that prisoners in Hitler’s concentration camps wore different colored triangles to denote their reason for confinement and he asked, “What color triangles did the Mormons wear in the Nazi camps?” My dissertation adviser at Texas A&M, Arnold P. Krammer, was the progeny of a large Hungarian Jewish family, most of whom boarded boxcars for Auschwitz in June 1944. During one very emotional class, Dr. Krammer opened a shoebox and placed real Stars of David in our hands, ones that had adorned the clothing of condemned Jewish citizens of Germany. After completing my research, I wasn’t able to answer my stepson’s question. Most Mormons had little to do with concentration camps, but those who did were as likely to have been guards as prisoners.
Q: What doctrine did the Mormons in Germany use to justify accomodation with the Nazis?

A: By 1930, three years before Hitler rose to power, Germany had more Latter-day Saints than any country except the United States. LDS leaders had equity to protect in Nazi Germany. To introduce themselves to Nazi authorities, the Mormons resurrected an old catechismal statement—the Twelfth Article of Faith—their equivalent of the biblical admonition to “Render unto Caesar.” They let it be known—through well-educated and savvy American mission presidents, and through politically connected Mormons in the United States—that church members would obey Nazi law and support Hitler’s government. However, influential Americans would notice if Mormons were persecuted.

Q: In what ways did the German Mormons strive to fit into the Third Reich?

A: Church leaders exploited perceived commonalities between Mormonism and National Socialism, and members enthusiastically sustained the government—often beyond what was necessary for survival. Some imagined Nazi favoritism toward their small sect. Others believed Hitler had read the Book of Mormon or was secretly a member of the faith. Taking advantage of the Nazi penchant for documenting “racial purity,” the Mormons ramped up genealogical research and lay leaders established family history research callings in every congregation. Mormons also purged their hymnals and tracts of references to Zion, Israel, or any other wording that could be associated with Judaism and some Jewish converts were shunned. Mormon missionaries tutored the German Olympic team in basic basketball skills in preparation for 1936 Berlin games and kept the official scorebooks for the Olympic basketball games. German Mormons dutifully supported the regime but their American prelates overreached during the peacetime years—one mission president wrote an article in the Völkischer Beobachter, the Nazi daily, extolling the parallels between Utah Mormon and German Nazi society.



Q: How did the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints “rewrite” this part of their history?

A: The church used “memory beacons,”—individuals and groups whose memorialization can be dialed up or down to fit the needs of the post-war church. A youthful Hamburg resister, Helmuth Hübener—beheaded by the Nazis—became the protagonist in a popular play staged at church-owned Brigham Young University in 1975. Concern for German immigrants in Utah and for Mormons in communist East Germany caused the church hierarchy to suppress subsequent performances of the play and suspend the research of BYU scholars. Later, after the fall of the Iron Curtain, it became convenient for the church to rehabilitate Hübener as a genuine hero of the Mormons’ “struggle” against Nazi oppression—although some accounts failed to mention that his pro-Nazi congregational leader had excommunicated him for resisting. In recent years, books and videos have emphasized the suffering of German Mormons on the Second World War battlefield and home front. In the new collective memory, all Mormons were war victims. The collaborationist activity of the peacetime Nazi years is never mentioned.

Q: How did you go about researching this topic?

A: Individual Mormons shared private histories, pictures, and other memorabilia. One person told me about a father who courageously saved Jews, a Polish slave laborer, and a Russian prisoner of war, yet whose “memory beacon” has been dimmed because of his excommunication for marital infidelity. Another woman shared memories of her loving father, whom she discovered had run a “wild” concentration camp in pre-war Berlin, and later, as a military policeman, was on the scene of liquidated Jewish ghettos in Poland. All the while, he sent post cards home urging his Mormon children to say their prayers and attend Sunday school. He escaped post-war justice and remained a stalwart Mormon.
There are promising documents in the church archives that I was not allowed to see. I was assisted by historians, archivists, library staff, and patrons at the Church history department of the LDS church. Retired faculty members at Brigham Young University and members of the German-American immigrant community in Salt Lake City were also helpful. I chose not to name those who did help me for fear that some may encounter the professional and personal recrimination that occasionally befalls faithful Latter-day Saints who assist in scholarly endeavors that are not faith-promoting. I value their help considerably, as without it I would have been able to write this book.

Options: ReplyQuote
Go to Topic: PreviousNext
Go to: Forum ListMessage ListNew TopicSearchLog In


Screen Name: 
Your Email (optional): 
Subject: 
Spam prevention:
Please, enter the code that you see below in the input field. This is for blocking bots that try to post this form automatically.
 ********   **    **  ********   ********   ******** 
 **     **   **  **   **     **  **     **  **       
 **     **    ****    **     **  **     **  **       
 **     **     **     **     **  ********   ******   
 **     **     **     **     **  **         **       
 **     **     **     **     **  **         **       
 ********      **     ********   **         ********