Posted by:
Jesus of Orem
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Date: April 25, 2017 01:54PM
Looks like our friendly OP has had enough. Posing as a progressive Mormon, he showed up to complain that Haun's Mill wasn't a major topic of U.S. history, immediately segued to Hitler, then disappeared. I'd like to know where he posted before to get his "interesting, civil" responses. If it had been here or r/exmo, he would have gotten his facts straight and would not have needed to post this time. There's no prior record of "J.J." on this site. I suspect that he's just another TBM who thought he could put us in our place, and discovered that it doesn't work.
To Betty G:
"Anyone who gives those who killed the others a pass"
Who exactly is giving the perpetrators of Haun's Mill "a pass"? Can you point to any? Haun's Mill was sheer butchery, a barbaric atrocity without excuse, and if there is a hell, those who committed those acts deserve to be consigned to its deepest caverns.
"This attack led to what seems to be Mass Hysteria and perhaps the WORST order ever issued on American Soil that I can tell."
The *worst* ever? Are you serious? I guess you've never heard of the Indian Removal Act of 1830, signed into law by Asshole Andrew Jackson. It helped to provide cover for the U.S. policy of systematic enforced dispossession of tribal lands. The Trail of Tears was a direct result of legislation like this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Removal_Acthttps://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/Indian.html"It would be on par if not worse than Hitler's orders to exterminate the Jews. It WAS written in the same line, and it WAS an extermination order."
As bad or worse than the orders for the Final Solution? Have you no sense of perspective or proportion? Holy crap, Betty.
The Jews did nothing as a people to provoke Hitler; merely existing was all it took. In contrast, the Mormons had been bad neighbors for years. I'm not "giving a pass" here; the victims of Haun's Mill were innocent of wrongdoing.
But if you had read the link I posted upthread, you would have known that Haun's Mill was not due to Boggs' order:
"The Haun's Mill massacre was committed on October 30 by an unauthorized militia band who acted in retaliation for the Mormon Danite raids on their towns of Millport, Gallatin, and Grinder's Fork (which had been ordered directly by Joseph Smith, Jr.,) and the Danites' attack on other state militia troops at Crooked River on October 25.
"'No one knows who ordered the attack on Haun's Mill. The militia companies that participated in the assault belonged to General Parks' brigade, but he did not issue the order. The troops were organized under the command of Col. Thomas Jennings, who apparently acted on his own initiative in leading the attack. It is possible that the Missourians received word of Governor Boggs' extermination order and took it upon themselves to carry out the decree, but they never offered this as a reason for the raid.
"'(One problem with this theory is that there is no evidence indicating when Governor Boggs' order became known to the Missourians. Generals Jackson, Doniphan, and Lucas did not receive their orders from the governor until the afternoon of 30 October, and they did not receive an official copy of the extermination order until 31 October.)'
"("The 1838 Mormon War in Missouri," Stephen LeSeuer, U. of Missouri Press, pp. 163-164.)"
See? There’s a difference. Innocent Jews were targeted due to an insane and pathological ideology; innocent Mormons were targeted, not because of their religion or beliefs, but because of the acts of its leaders (like Sidney Rigdon, who first used the term "extermination" against non-Mormons in his "Salt Sermon") and other Mormons who were in rebellion against the state. No Mormons – none – are known to have been killed as a direct result of Boggs' order.
Lilburn Boggs as bad as, or worse than, Adolf Hitler? Give me a break.
To Amyjo:
"Both times the victims were murdered because of their religion… Religious persecution knows no bounds… To be murdered because of their beliefs is no different."
Again: No, the Haun's Mill victims were not murdered because of their religion or beliefs, and it wasn't religious persecution. It was retribution for prior acts committed by Mormons under the auspices of church leaders.
The church likes to make the false claim that Mormons were repeatedly driven out or killed only because they believed in current revelation and living prophets. Please don't make their argument for them. You know better than that.
"Sure Haun's Mill may pale in comparison, but the hatred fueling the carnage was the same."
I agree with you that the Holocaust was pure hatred, but Haun's Mill was driven by anger and fear. The local Missourians were enraged by the Danites' actions, and scared sh**less by the prospect of being next on the list.