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Posted by: Gay Philosopher ( )
Date: May 29, 2011 10:44PM

Hello,

I've often wondered what people live for, which prompted me to do some research on motivation. There are extrinsic motivators, such as bonuses for a job well done at work, and intrinsic ones, such as the pleasure of watching films about topics that we find interesting.

After reading Wikipedia a bit, I came across Steven Reiss's theory that we have 16 basic desires that motivate us:

1. Acceptance, the need for approval
2. Curiosity, the need to learn
3. Eating, the need for food
4. Family, the need to raise children
5. Honor, the need to be loyal to the traditional values of one's clan/ethnic group
6. Idealism, the need for social justice
7. Independence, the need for individuality
8. Order, the need for organized, stable, predictable environments
9. Physical activity, the need for exercise
10. Power, the need for influence of will
11. Romance, the need for sex
12. Saving, the need to collect
13. Social contact, the need for friends (peer relationships)
14. Status, the need for social standing/importance
15. Tranquility, the need to be safe
16. Vengeance, the need to strike back/to win

He believes that we differ in the degree to which we're motivated by these desires, but that they're foundational. Do you agree?

Are any missing?

As I ask myself that question and ponder Reiss's list, I feel as if something significant is missing. It's as if Reiss has identified 16 trees in a much larger forest that, as a whole, seems to mean something very different from the sum of its plants. For me, what seems to be missing is an overarching sense of meaning. "What's it all *for*, anyway?"

And the answer to that question is spiritual in nature. Even if you believe that all religions are myths, and all spiritual pursuits amount to nothing but emotional self-regulation through participation in contemplative practices and rituals in groups intended to achieve synchrony--thus bonding--and alleviate anxiety, I think that a powerful sense of awe for existence--a spiritual awe--impels a lot of behavior and makes life feel intensely meaningful for many people, much as it did for the early, persecuted Mormons. They lived and suffered for something greater than themselves. They had what they believed to be a living prophet who literally connected them to the mystery of the divine, which they believed was literal and real.

As I think about the list, it seems to miss the boat with regard to something that all of us talk about, but isn't mentioned once: love. Is romance really only about sex? Is it possible for there to be romance without sex? I think that it is. Where does the "need" to raise children fit in for a childless couple or a single gay male?

It seems to me that the human animal may be impelled to act by the list of 16, but the person needs something more, a sense that his or her life is significant and meaningful, that it has a greater purpose than mere homeostasis. I believe that life isn't so much about acting, but interpreting action--our own and that of others. And that action is ultimately geared toward more than simply securing status or tranquility. It's about using one's talents to create--a "spiritual" gift if ever there was one. By creating, we give our world our own personal imprint. Our creations often outlast us.

But again, what's it all for? Why, really, do we get up each day, again and again, decade after decade? We have a sense that over the decades we're moving toward some goal, however vague, and that things will get better.

What is that goal for you, if you have one? Do you feel that life is meaningful? Do you see it as a spiritual adventure?

What do you live for?

Steve

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Posted by: beansandbrews ( )
Date: May 29, 2011 10:54PM

Nice to see you again Steve.

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Posted by: Gay Philosopher ( )
Date: May 29, 2011 11:15PM

It's nice to see you, too, beansandbrews. :-)

Steve

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Posted by: Greyfort ( )
Date: May 29, 2011 11:27PM

My family and the little kitten I'm going to be getting on Thursday. I have to take care of myself for her.

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Posted by: Shiner Bock ( )
Date: May 29, 2011 11:33PM

I don't see the basics of life: porn, booze and REALLY LOUD rock music.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: May 29, 2011 11:36PM

Chocolate

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Posted by: think4u ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 04:42PM

Yeah, that!

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Posted by: nebularry ( )
Date: May 29, 2011 11:41PM

Reiss's list is rather good just as it is. Well, except that I would add "a sense of wonderment or awe" at the universe in which we live. Yes, I would make that #17. I derive my spiritual experience from #2, #4, #15 and a sense of wonderment or awe.

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Posted by: Cristina ( )
Date: May 29, 2011 11:48PM

Connection is probably what I live for.

I used to wonder if most people looked for greater meaning in life too. Now I think the world is divided into those who strive for something more meaningful and those who don't.

Surprising as its been to me, I'm convinced a significant portion of people don't worry about greater meaning than the day to day motivations that drive them from moment to moment. Especially in circumstance where education is limited. The human mind develops based on its environment and experiences, and some people's minds remain at a level where they don't look beyond survival and basic needs outward to a horizon of meaning. While I think this is tragic, I also think in a way it's a form of anesthesia that allows people to tolerate extremely difficult and limited circumstances.

To live in circumstances that allow your mind to develop fully to where you have a need for meaning is to be very blessed.

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Posted by: charles, buddhist punk ( )
Date: May 29, 2011 11:51PM

Pizza and beer.

I believe our Maslow's and Reiss' list are constructs born from our evolving brains. They're nice and neat and tidy and goes well with pizza and beer, that's for sure. However, you are correct. What IS the point of all THIS? For answers I turn to nature and someone who anthropomorphized electronic creations.

I think what's missing from the list is that raw, natural, unfiltered need for our brains to survive for the sake of being alive. It's the human equivalent of Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics, especially #3: "A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law (non-harm to humans)."

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Posted by: honestone ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 12:03AM

All of those and spiritual awe as you said. I love to look at nature and just admire and be speechless. If I can't see these places in person I have to in pictures or paintings. It completes me. As far as love goes, no you don't need sex over love. I say LOVE is the more powerful force.That is why loneliness afflicts so many older people- no one to love
( associate with, care about ). So many people who have no one to care about and feel no one cares about them, just want to die. Tragic. We reach out to others in our charity work just to express our love. A very basic and necessary desire if one wants to be happy. You have to reach out - away from yourself IMO.

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 12:22AM

At my age, well over the middle mark, each day is a gift.
I live for every experience new or repeated.
It's all gravy for me.

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Posted by: Naomi ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 12:28AM

Gay Philosopher, I think your points are more valid than the whole rest of the list combined. Love, creativity, a sense of awe - those are the basis of real spirituality and meaning to life. Everything else on the list seems more like means to an end, not the true motivation - as in romance as a way to seek love, learning as a way to seek creativity, food and exercise as ways to stay healthy in order to seek the true meaning of our lives. I agree that life has meaning and is a spiritual adventure.

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Posted by: Hane ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 12:56AM

A really good laugh. Life without it is intolerable for me.

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 11:01AM

Hane Wrote:
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> A really good laugh. Life without it is
> intolerable for me.


+1 --- Must have laughter!

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Posted by: nebularry ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 11:05AM

Isn't it amazing that there are so many things to live for? So many things that provide us with joy and fulfillment? So many things that make life worthwhile? And yet religion is nowhere to be found! Hmmmm . . .

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Posted by: Itzpapalotl ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 11:14AM

# 2, 7, 11 and 12 are my primary motives, I think.

Something I learned in the last couple of years is I get my love of learning from my pop. There is always something new to study!

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Posted by: Timothy ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 12:20PM

For a little while.

In the overall scope of things, that is.

This is the Gospel according to Timothy ... Life is like a turd sandwich. The more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.

Timothy



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Posted by: derrida ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 03:21PM

I heard a mo ym president recently give a talk where he said that unless we are following Christ and being obedient to gather the blessings of the gospel, looking forward to being with hf and our families, then we are just "biding out time." He did not say we were wasting our time if we did anything other than follow the church, but that is what, in his arrogance, he meant.



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Posted by: fearguiltpromise ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 05:28PM

Right, for TBM's they live only for the next life. Endure to the end. Live the strict rules of the gospel, for-go any and all individual happiness, bring others into your same misery because in the next life you'll be rewarded. ugh!

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Posted by: paintinginthewin ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 03:24PM

creativity

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Posted by: Rebeckah ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 03:26PM

It beats the alternative, which would be not living.

I hope to accomplish a few things while I'm living but I don't kid myself that I'm ever going to accomplish anything super-special. A million years from now I will be as lost and forgotten as caveman Blarg is.

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Posted by: munchybotaz ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 03:27PM


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Posted by: sockpuppet ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 04:27PM

stirring up trouble

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Posted by: think4u ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 04:35PM

I guess that is why I suffer and get depressed, still haven't got past number one with some of my grown kids since I left the church and it hurts, it always will.

Other than that, from that list, I want most 2, 7 and 15. I also crave solitude and simplicity in my daily life and have achieved satisfactory amounts of both.

Oh, yeah, someone mentioned a good laugh, what would life be without humor?



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Posted by: colonelmoroni ( )
Date: May 31, 2011 09:07AM

think4u

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Posted by: roflmao ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 04:45PM

Comedy
Kids
Comedy
Boating
Comedy
Food
Comedy
Sex
And comedy

Did I mention comedy?

=D

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Posted by: lostinutah ( )
Date: May 30, 2011 05:14PM

hiking with my dogs
writing
lattes with whipped cream

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Posted by: tanngrisnir ( )
Date: May 31, 2011 02:36AM

2, 9, 11. I can't pursue the others because they are either unavailable or undesirable to me.

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Posted by: hello ( )
Date: May 31, 2011 04:07AM

Shiv OM

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Posted by: dr5 ( )
Date: May 31, 2011 07:51AM

Natural beauty
Music
Connection with animals
A sense of something larger than myself or other humans (awe)

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