If ever I heard childish name calling It would have to be when
Mormons start arbitrarily labeling people Apostates. When they use that kind of language to “brand” members of the LGBTQ community I’m actually surprised they haven’t decided to tattoo
numbers on their wrists.

In the definition of Apostate you will find the words TRAITOR and
TURNCOAT DESERTER HERETIC

No one deserves that kind of abuse. Life is hard enough and this is a purely destructive attempt to shame people into submission.

In the earliest days of TSCC, to be labelled thus was justification by some of Brigham's followers to murder and pillage early Mormon settlers in the Utah territory who were independent in thought.

I know Amyjo, and they also use it towards anyone who leaves the church today. It was an ugly word then and just as ugly and
abusive today.

Remember=== The definition of the word apostasy is "the renunciation of a creed or religion or belief."

Yes, they do.
But I don't care what they call me.
They're indoctrinated non-thinkers who ignore facts, are hypocrites about their "beliefs," and who choose obedience to nasty old men to normal human kindness.

Who gives a crap what they call anyone?

I’m like you but I am thinking of those who are really struggling right now and I know there are those who are in the middle of a shit storm with their “conditional” families

Temple recommend interviews ask if you associate with any apostates. So if the would be temple recommend holder has an apostate family member, they have to do one of two things to get the temple recommend. 1.) Lie to get the recommend, 2.) Dis-associate with the apostate family member before the temple recommend interview.

But “apostate” is only a bad word among those whose opinion I couldn’t care less about.

I think of "us" as more like an extended family.

Many of us are way past Mormonism, but still hang around because we cherish the community.

This raggedy old apostate loves you guys!!!

Agree.

LDS seem to worship ideas, distinctions that differentiate & divide rather than Big Tent philosophy / attitude.



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An apostate is an escaped slave. I was born in and beaten out.

And it's not just "apostate." It's also lazy, offended, and/or wanting to sin. Mormons feel compelled to do name-calling of anyone who chooses to leave or not attend.

I think this is all context dependent. As I think donbagley's example points out.

Being a traitor from an unjust cause can be heroic and noble. Claus von Stauffenberg and his coconspirators, who attempted to assassinate Adolf Hitler come to mind.

For that reason, I don't eschew the "apostate" label when it comes to the Lord's one true investment firm--I proudly own it!

Leaving a church isn't considered a bad thing to normal non-mormons.

To mormons? Apostates are an evil nasty threat to all that is good, holy or decent.

Any converts who left another faith to join Mormonism are also "apostates", as they apostasized from their previous fairh to become LDS.

^^^ Exactly. My dad being one of them. Raised Presbyterian, joined the Mormons at age 18.

Me, raised Mormon. Left at age 18.

I wear the badge with pride. I had read somewhere that it the definition is what donbagley wrote.

Even as a mormon, I was labeled. I am so glad to be out. So glad that I'm not one of the sheep. I read the stuff they post on fb and am so glad I'm not them any longer.

I also wear the term adulteress with pride. I'm not divorce from my gay husband and we've been "separated" for over 20 years. I'm in a long-term relationship with an old boyfriend from my 20s for 13+ years now.

I was such a perfect little naive mormon virgin, so I love being an adulteress. I'm proud to be an apostate.

Anon42day Wrote:
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> In the definition of Apostate you will find the
> words TRAITOR and
> TURNCOAT DESERTER HERETIC


However, the word originally meant to withdraw, to stand apart. The way I see it, that puts the power in the hands of the apostate. They took the action.

Like all derogatory names, apostate only has the power you give it. Am I an apostate? Damn right I am. I walked out of that evil circus.

I’ve shared this before—

At a professional meeting, a friend who knows me well said, “Boner, you’re a fuckin’ Mormon!”

I replied, “I find that highly offensive; I’m a fuckin’ EX-Mormon!”

The fuckin’ apostate’s Boner.

Most of the people on this board are seasoned veterans when it comes to name calling. Many of us remember as far back as the
Beginning of our school days when names like”crybaby” “tattletale” “scaredy-cats” were used liberally on the playground.

Labeling people “Apostates” simply states that the church is
No longer interested in that person as a human being. Their
Personal strengths are now considered to be valueless. For people
Who voluntarily leave, it is like water off a ducks back.


So why does the church need to automatically label members of
The LGBTQ community. These people are dealing with rejection
For who they are; families that no longer accept them; they are
Already called ugly names; The statistics are showing that LDS
members who deal with same sex attraction are at much greater
Risk of harming themselves or actually taking their own lives.

When the Nazi’s started their reign of terror against the Jews
They forced them to visibly wear the Star of David. This was
Actually an important symbol of the Jewish religion but suddenly
Became a label that usually resulted in the death or abuse of
The person wearing it.

The church is using labels to marginalize people and while many
Of us can easily say “good riddance” there are those who can’t. If the church leader’s insensitivity results in the death of even one person.....I say It is one person too many.

Anon42day Wrote:
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> ...the church is no longer interested in that person
> as a human being.

It never was.

olderelder Wrote:
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> Anon42day Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ...the church is no longer interested in that
> person
> > as a human being.
>
> It never was.


Oh yes they were as long as that person could pay tithing

The members are just interchangeable role players. And tithe payers.

Unfortunately, the church (typical of most cults) has to have scapegoats. In my generation, the scapegoats were black people. Many Mormons feared that blacks in LA or Las Vegas would rise up and attack the temple.

Now the scapegoating is fixed on LGBTQ people. It’s disgusting.

I had never really heard the term apostate until a few years ago. I was in the presence of an extreme TBM (my sister's friend) and she was going on about such and such person is an apostate! I stood in awe at the anger and vitriol coming out of her. When I see Mormons act that way over someone who has become one of 'them', all I can think is that's not 'Christ-like'.

It was in that moment I realized that to TBMs, the term 'apostate' is the worst thing a person can be and they will treat you as such. While some can brush it off, others cannot. Sheer hatred coming out of that person. It was despicable, vile, harmful.



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bluebutterfly Wrote:
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> I had never really heard the term apostate until a
> few years ago. I was in the presence of an extreme
> TBM (my sister's friend) and she was going on
> about such and such person is an apostate! I stood
> in awe at the anger and vitriol coming out of her.
> When I see Mormons act that way over someone who
> has become one of 'them', all I can think is
> that's not 'Christ-like'.
>
> It was in that moment I realized that to TBMs, the
> term 'apostate' is the worst thing a person can be
> and they will treat you as such. While some can
> brush it off, others cannot. Sheer hatred coming
> out of that person. It was despicable, vile,
> harmful.

Somewhere in their minds most Mormons turn the word “Apostate”
Into an exaggeration of everything evil and ugly and
Mentally apply it to people they don’t even know simply because
Someone over the pulpit said it was so.

When I saw my doctor last week he told me that I needed my a.. postate checked. I said, "no sir, I done did that..I no longer go to that church." He said, "turn around you got more coming", and what he did next really did remind me of being in the church for so long.

Yes sir, getting my a postate checked is very much like being in the Mormon church.

Moose, it’s best if the doc just says, “Dude, shoot me a brown eye.”

Moose, I’d never poke you! Big bro-hugs, I've missed your posts.

Hugs back atcha, Boner! And, you can't miss what wasn't tossed. :-)

Apostasy by definition is the renunciation of a religion or belief.
Therefore an apostate is a renunciator

thedesertrat1 Wrote:
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> Apostasy by definition is the renunciation of a
> religion or belief.
> Therefore an apostate is a renunciator

So why should they automatically apply this term to all
Members of the LGBTQ community