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Posted by: itcame2pass ( )
Date: December 20, 2018 05:11PM

Just wondering if anyone has heard anything yet.

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Posted by: auntsukey ( )
Date: December 20, 2018 05:30PM

He just posted a pic of his pin hole camera.

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Posted by: danr ( )
Date: December 20, 2018 05:40PM

Trial doesn't start until after 4PM mountain time.

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Posted by: itcame2pass ( )
Date: December 20, 2018 05:48PM

Did they change the time? The court calendar shows 2:30pm Mountain Time. Maybe things are running behind at the court???

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: December 20, 2018 11:42PM

I'm out of the loop. What trial ?

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: December 20, 2018 11:57PM

Trespassing in one of the temples.

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: December 20, 2018 11:59PM

I think he was arrested for criminal trespass on church property~ exterior temple grounds. The church really wants to nail him for revealing the secret temple ceremonies.

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Posted by: Leaving ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 12:23AM

messygoop Wrote:
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"The church really wants to nail him for revealing the secret temple ceremonies."

But Russ, I am only revealing that which has been revealed on other websites.

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Posted by: Cathy ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 05:21PM

He put a long post on FB about how it happened, what went on with temple security and the arresting officer, and his booking procedure and such. Interesting stuff.

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Posted by: spintobear ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 03:05AM

I was there at 2pm and a drawing was held to see who would be allowed in the court room as spectators. About 25 of us sat out in the lobby. Several men in suits (A GA and church security team members) came in and out of the court room with security escorts and taken to a special room to wait it out. I'm sure none of Mike's witnesses were given such special treatment.
By 3:45, I received a phone call and had to leave. I don't know what the outcome is at this time.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 03:17AM

Thanks for this information.

Did you see anyone who looked like the media?

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 05:35AM

He was convicted of a Class B misdemeanor (as N3 puts it, "one notch above jaywalking.") He has promised not to set foot on church property again. But he has also stated outside of court that he has plenty of helpers, so he doesn't *need* to set foot on church property again. Others are now available to make recordings.

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Posted by: cricket ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 05:57AM

stalwartly embedded in Mike's (NewNameNoah) band of Gadianton Recorders.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 12:27PM

I hope NNN and his merry band continue their efforts and there are more trials. This stuff has to hit the news; there must be more publicity for the temple videos!

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Posted by: oceancoast ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 03:51PM

I hope Mike learns his lesson and doesn't try to make good on his threat of having 'helpers' do his bidding.. Since by doing so he will effectively convert his Misdemeanor into a felony.. It's called CONSPIRACY to commit a crime. Conspiracy is a serious crime.. So I hope my brother stops being a dumbass and gets his head out of his backside on his emotionally driven antiMormonism.

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Posted by: Cathy ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 03:55PM

Mike is your brother??

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 10:40PM

Cathy Wrote:
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> Mike is your brother??

"Everyone" is in mormonism... and even more so outside of it.

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Posted by: Cathy ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 10:50PM

Gotcha.

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Posted by: oceancoast ( )
Date: December 23, 2018 01:32PM

Yep, he's my brother.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 04:03PM

I'm curious about the law. NNN was convicted of a class C misdemeanor.

Utah Code 76-4-202 states that a conspiracy to commit a crime other than a capital felony is considered less than the crime itself. Even a conspiracy to commit third degree felony is only a misdemeanor.

So how could a conspiracy to commit a Class C misdemeanor render NNN liable for felony charges?

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Posted by: jacob ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 04:27PM

There is a compounding effect of being found guilty of committing the same or similar crime multiple times. It isn't as simple as multiple misdemeanors equals a felony but it does mean that multiple misdemeanors equal the stiffest penalty. In this case I would guess that that could mean up to a year in jail with an accompanying fine of say $1,000. (these are guesses)

From my perspective this sort of civil disobedience serves no purpose because the light that it shines will never really be that bright. The headline, Mormons are weird, would most likely bring a head nod and passive agreement. Not the sort of emotional energy required to change Mormonism.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 05:02PM

Yes, usually the repetition of a third degree misdemeanor would lead to charges of a second degree misdemeanor. The penalty would be minimal, I would think.

But you are right. In this case the light shed on the church may not be important, in which case there would be no point to NNN's going further.

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Posted by: oceancoast ( )
Date: December 23, 2018 02:14PM

As the other poster stated,it's a compounding effect. I think my brother shoots himself in the foot quite often. but walking out of the courtroom announcing his 'helpers' he is for all intents and purposes announced he intends to engage in a conspiracy to commit further crimes is troubling. So if anyone of his helper gets caught, he has already announce his own intention as a conspirator, so he can't say he didn't intend to conspire.

My brother seems to crave attention.. There is turmoil of a broken family of his childhood which my play a big role in his psychological need to be in the center of a controversy.

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Posted by: anonculus ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 05:18PM

oceancoast Wrote:
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> ... So I hope my brother stops
> being a dumbass and gets his head out of his
> backside on his emotionally driven antiMormonism.

God forbid he should be driven by
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Emotion!

Antimormonism must be kept pure and passionless.

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Posted by: oceancoast ( )
Date: December 23, 2018 01:55PM

It's not that emotions are bad, they are part of the human considtion. It's just the kind of emotion that is fueling his antiMormon antics is the an unhealthy emotion being expressing in a self destructive manner.

I find that to be pretty much the case with most if not ALL AntiMormons. Because Mormonism, like all reglions is a 'faith' , based upon subjective beliefs.. Like whether or not you like Chocolate over Vanilla. AntiMormons have developed a personal aversion to a flavor and instead just avoiding the flavor, the go on an insane behavior of attacking the flavor... as if the flavor is at fault.. when the objective reality is that flavor is just not their cup of tea.. but it's OK.. others can like it even if they don't.

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Posted by: snowball ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 09:34AM

Visitors welcome ;)

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Posted by: Cathy ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 01:47PM

I sent him a friend request - he may not accept it, which is fine (he doesn't know me), but I hope he does so I can follow what he's doing closely. He's one of my new favorite people in the world.

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: December 21, 2018 04:52PM

What’s there left to show? He should do more spoof Mormon News websites. It was so funny when the church had to disavow the fake apology for its racist past.

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Posted by: alsd ( )
Date: December 22, 2018 10:23AM

babyloncansuckit Wrote:
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> What’s there left to show? He should do more
> spoof Mormon News websites. It was so funny when
> the church had to disavow the fake apology for its
> racist past.

That was hilarious! I would love to see more of that.

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Posted by: auntsukey ( )
Date: December 22, 2018 11:17AM

Anyone?

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Posted by: Smudge ( )
Date: December 22, 2018 06:07PM

You're right, it was Thinker of Thoughts (Thoughts on Things and Stuff) who did the fake apology article, not NNN.

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: December 22, 2018 06:37PM

Never trust a brain older than 50.

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Posted by: Smudge ( )
Date: December 22, 2018 06:56PM

Really? I was always told to never trust a brain younger than 50. :)

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Posted by: oceancoast ( )
Date: December 23, 2018 02:23PM

Ironic.. Mike Norton turned 50 in June

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