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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 10:51AM

Has LD$, Inc. been invited? But then -- is Mormonism "Christian?"

https://www.christianpost.com/news/rome-opens-up-exorcism-course-to-all-major-christian-faiths-to-fight-rising-demonic-forces.html

For the first time in 14 years, the Roman Catholic Church has opened up its annual exorcism class in Rome to all major Christian faiths in a bid to stem the rising tide of demonic forces around the world.

“The idea is to help each other, to establish best practices if you will,” Father Pedro Barrajon, 61, one of the organizers of the 14th edition of the “Course on Exorcism and Prayer of Liberation,” taking place at the Pontifical University of Regina Apostolorum, told the Telegraph. “This is the first time that different denominations have come together to compare their experiences on exorcisms.”

The one week course which is taught in Italian at a cost of approximately $450 is being held May 6- 11.

It is described as the first course in the world that proposes careful academic and interdisciplinary research of exorcisms.

“Expelling the devil goes back to the earliest origins of the Christian Church,” Barrajon said. “The Catholic rite is very structured, whereas some of the other churches are more creative, they don't use a precise format.”

More than 241 people, both lay and religious, from more than 40 countries signed up for the course this year, Crux Now reported.

“I'm here to understand the Catholic perspective. We are fighting the same enemy in the name of the Lord, even if there are some parts of the Anglican Church that have lost belief in Satan,” course participant Benjamin McEntire, a Protestant priest from Alaska, said.

They all agree that growing secularization has led to a proliferation of satanic groups, especially among young people through social media.

“Many young people display a certain attraction and interest toward themes tied to esotericism, magic, the occult, Satanism, witchcraft, vampirism and contact with a presumed supernatural world,” Italian Professor Giuseppe Ferrari, founder and secretary of the “Social and Religious Research and Information Group,” said during his introductory speech at the event.

“Some end up accepting as spiritual leaders these characters who, while proposing a flawed liberty and false freedom, only aim at taking hold of their existence,” he explained.

While critics of the course have argued that the study of exorcism has no place in modern society, organizers of the event have emphasized a multidisciplinary approach to exorcism that tackles psychology, medicine, law, sociology and criminology in order to help students better understand the changing dynamics and reality of Satanism.

“This view [that exorcisms has no place in modern society] not only displays ignorance and a restricted view of reality, but underlines the conditioning by ideologies that tag as superstition everything that eludes their preconstructed schemes,” Ferrari said of critics.

Indeed, a report in The Christian Post last fall highlighted the astronomical growth of self-identified witches in the U.S.

Ahead of the first annual Christian witches convention in Salem, Massachusetts, in April, internationally recognized Prophet Calvin Witcher argued that Jesus was a sorcerer and the Bible is really a “book of magic.”

“Some believe that this return to exorcism and prayer of liberation is derived from a distancing from God,” Barrajon told journalists.

Ferrari explained that efforts are now underway to assess the number of exorcists in the United States, Canada, England, Ireland, Italy, Spain and Switzerland and monitor the number of requests they receive for exorcisms and prayers of liberation.

“We don’t yet have a reliable number,” he said but he believes that many people who believe they are demon possessed may also be suffering from psychological issues.

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Posted by: Kathleen ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 11:03AM

Held May 6-11 ?
Aw heck! I missed it!

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 11:18AM

What century are we living in ?

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Posted by: ragnar ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 12:52PM

What century are THEY living in? This is just hilarious...

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Posted by: Kathleen ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 01:37PM

They need to save their $450 and attend Bethel's College of Supernatural Ministry.

Be sure to order their book on teaching your kids how to raise the dead.


https://shop.bethel.com/products/teaching-kids-about-healings-miracles-raising-the-dead

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 01:47PM

“but he believes that many people who believe they are demon possessed may also be suffering from psychological issues”

It goes both ways. People suffering from psychological issues are often demon possessed. A guy in my ward did exorcisms. He would fast for three days in preparation, as Jesus instructed. He had to be careful because the demon would then follow him home.

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Posted by: spiritist ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 03:35PM

Demon removal should come with a 100% guarantee --- because there are no such things!

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 04:12PM

People who can see demons and the dead would wonder about that.

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Posted by: spiritist ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 06:51PM

I have seen and talked with spirits and they don't seem to 'believe' in demons either!

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 07:12PM

Why don't you ask them something actually useful?


Also, let us know what they were wearing when you saw them and how their clothes defied physics (never mind their bodies).

Interesting you also seem to know what they 'believe' too. That's quite a special talent. Good grief, I hope you are not taking money from people.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 07:23PM

And then tell why angels have wings. Is there gravity in heaven ?

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 07:29PM

Of course there is gravity in heaven. That's why the angels need wings.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 08:35PM

The thing that doesn't make sense is that wings are the anatomical arm appendages.

So angels developed an extra set of appendages to have 6 (like insects)? That would be a fine trick!

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 08:43PM

Without wings how would the angels get around? Think of poor George Bailey.

God had to do what God had to do.

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Posted by: spiritist ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 11:25PM

What is it you think is 'useful' -- apparently on RFM discussion about 'demons' is useful or it wouldn't be here and you would not be making comments!!!

I have asked 'spirit, subconscious, universal mind, etc.' a lot --- if you have a useful question I will see if I have a 'useful' answer.

As far as what they 'appeared to be wearing and look like' ---- however they want and sometimes I didn't even notice anything but their faces. One time one dressed like a 'nerd' to make a point with me because of a question.

Additionally, I am not a 'medium' but have had 'limited' medium experiences with 'family and friends' ---- I do wish I had that ability to help others 'grieving' but I have not been approached by 'other' spirits to give messages to other people. I have not taken any money from others.

I cannot say I cannot make money with some of this 'information' as I have 'materially' benefited in contests, tests, investments, etc. and plan on working those areas more, not to get 'richer' but to help promote the 'effectiveness' of some of these 'precognition tools'.

There are 'definite issues' with possibly 'abusing' these things if the effort is just to get rich quickly. I am working with 'accuracy issues' right now in fact dealing with routine 'financial projections'. If I could work out 'my issues' I would consider going public, on the net, with an investment site ---- mainly to attempt to 'prove the 'precognition tools' but would expect to be compensated for the 'work' and of course risk my own money also.



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Posted by: commongentile ( )
Date: May 13, 2019 03:30PM

dagny Wrote:
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> Also, let us know what they were wearing when you
> saw them and how their clothes defied physics
> (never mind their bodies).

Here is a link to an article titled "Why Do Ghosts Wear Clothes?," which might be of interest:

https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/why-do-ghosts-wear-clothes

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: May 13, 2019 07:39PM

Warning: your IQ will drop 5 points after reading that article.


Thanks, I should have guessed there would be some stretch contortion explanation for this.

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 11:26PM

“I have seen and talked with spirits and they don't seem to 'believe' in demons either”

How far can you trust the word of an Earth-bound spirit? The ones who run the ouija boards don’t seem overly nice.

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Posted by: spiritist ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 11:34PM

The spirits I 'believe' I have talked to were all in the 'between life' definitely not 'Earth-bound'.

I do believe 'Earth-bound' spirits would 'appear to me' much differently ---- but I have never seen one so I really don't know.

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: May 13, 2019 12:18AM

Since you seem to have thought about this, do you think Joseph Smith was demonically possessed?

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Posted by: spiritist ( )
Date: May 13, 2019 12:29AM

"Do you think Joseph Smith was demonically possessed?"
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You should have got the 'hint' I do not believe in 'demons' so JS was not 'possessed by any evil spirit'.

Greedy (power, sex, money, etc.) people can have 'evil' thoughts and take 'evil' actions all by themselves. They do not have to have any being such as the 'devil or a demon' to help them. I shouldn't use evil as it really doesn't mean the same to everyone.

JS was JS and acted based on his worldview, desires, and what people and himself allowed him to do. Sort of like each of us but maybe we value 'consequences' more than he did (now and future). I don't think he realized how significant what he did would become and last so long as he was primarily interested it for his lifetime.

JS knew what he was doing and why and got away with a lot.



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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 08:08PM

Ha! I guess the Catholic Church needed another way to make money besides bingo.

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Posted by: macaRomney ( )
Date: May 12, 2019 09:00PM

Well I guess it's good they are teaching people about demons but $450 for the class is seriously way too much money. But yes I've seen some dark shadows before and even had a brief scare from the head guy up from Hell himself. It's unsettling when it happens or happens to people you know. Don't under estimate it.

I won't say any more about that.

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Posted by: Roy G Biv ( )
Date: May 13, 2019 03:51PM

>> "The one week course which is taught in Italian at a cost of approximately $450 is being held May 6- 11."

What if the demon doesn't speak Italian?

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