elderolddog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There are probably billions of interpretations of > heaven’s rules and regulations, but everyone > agrees that ouija boards are unnecessary.
You have a better more scientific way? Perchance a rock in a hat? A divination stick?
My great grandmother was dressed in pioneer clothing. Like she might've worn when she was alive. Was she therefore a spirit, or a ghost? That kind of begs the question. I've wondered if she was a time traveler. Physicists say it is possible to travel into the future, just not into the past. So if she was coming into the future to visit me, that might explain her dress. Not that she would know anything about time travel. It may have been beyond her knowledge or power to control. She may have been sent to the future in a parallel dimension. Albert Einstein believed in that possibility ie, parallel dimensions.
Fat is a human construct. Thin is healthy. Fat is not. Just not too thin. A heavenly being is not going to need fat or a physical body. They transcend time and space. We cannot. We have to die first to shed our bodies before we can do that if we are able to when we leave this life for the next.
I don't believe all people will go to heaven. Some people truly are evil. It says in Psalms 'for those who are evil will be destroyed.' (37:9) I believe that's what happens to truly evil people. That's why there doesn't need to be a hell for them when they die. It isn't necessary. Hell is a construct for sinners made by Christians. Take Hitler for example. He was so evil that the only place for him is eternal cosmic dust in a cosmic Black Hole. If that's "hell" so be it. But it isn't the fire and brimstone kind. It is justice of the eternal kind. At least that's how I interpret the scriptures, and why I reject mainstream Christianity and Mormonism both. What, Hitler's been dead dunked how many times in Mormonism? Right alongside of Anne Frank. That's flipping schizophrenic!
elderolddog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So you theorize that the human soul can be > destroyed? Blasted into cosmic dust, so that > Hitler is a cosmic dust bunny?
I sure as hell hope so.
> > But if means exist to destroy the human soul, We > are all at risk, for eternity!!
Heaven is not for ninnies. > > I want a soul destroyer, too! And I want CSDP, > (concealed soul destroyer permit) or else I can't > defend myself against someone packing an S&W Soul > Destroyer, with a 15 bullet magazine!
We were taught we survived the War in Heaven before we came to earth ... I've been confused ever since whether that was peculiarly a Mormon teaching, a Christian teaching, or a biblical one. It is so Star Warsy that who knows? Maybe we'll be battling good v. evil after we're dead. I was kind of hoping for a reprieve. > > Thus the phrase, 'the soul is eternal' is a lie! > Damn it!!
My favorite and most brilliant rabbi ever gave a sermon on why the soul is not eternal when evil outweighs the good in a person. And why we are not justified to pardon evil or forgive it, or make allowance for it. Only God can do that. But that someone as evil as Adolf Hitler cannot exist in the afterlife. There is no eternal torment dark or deep enough for his soul to languish. God destroys evil and the essence of it before he would allow it to exist eternally. Hell doesn't exist in Jewish belief. Not like it does in Christian theology. There is no room for pure evil to exist in the afterlife. Hitler's soul would not be pardoned, redeemed or forgiven, in other words. His soul has already been extinguished according to my rabbi's understanding, belief, and interpretation of the Torah.
> There is no room for pure > evil to exist in the after- > life. Hitler's soul would > not be pardoned, redeemed > or forgiven, in other words. > His soul has already been > extinguished according to > my rabbi's understanding, > belief, and interpretation > of the Torah.
Because there is no 'unity' in Judaism, what with all its schisms, your Rabbi's concepts are just as valid as any other Jew's thoughts on the subject.
But at any rate, there does seem to be a definite thread in Jewish beliefs that a person, a soul, can be destroyed. One would assume that such destruction is judged appropriate. The keyword being 'judged'. Naturally, Hitler and the quorum he lead is a no-brainer.
But it still means that someone, even if it's restricted to ghawd, is running around the hereafter with a Soul Destroyer. How human-centric is that! Why would a really hip ghawd care?
Spirits can appear anyway they want and 'normally' do not appear 'human' in the after life among other spirits. However, to be recognized by us 'humans' they appear 'similar to what they looked like' in life so you can recognize them.
Mediums and to a minor degree personal experience says yes they do appear to look 'fairly good' (less wrinkles, thin, etc.) but not 'extremely different' of course unless they want to make a point. I have actually had at least one 'make a point' based on 'human' expectations.
For example, some people (mainly Christians) in NDEs say they see someone that looks like 'Jesus' come up to them but they don't introduce themselves normally as 'Jesus' these people just 'know'. They/Spirit guides do that to comfort 'believers' ------ no they are not normally if ever 'Jesus'. No one but 'LDS/JS' really know what Jesus looks like anyway ---- right????
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When I was a member, up until 15 years ago, the Mormons taught that each person's body would become "perfected" upon resurrection. (I wonder why Jesus still had scars on his hands.) My stake president brother used to say that he couldn't wait to get to heaven and be reunited with his late wife--and have her healthy and whole, perfected and YOUNG. He would laugh, and say that he expected to have other young perfected wives, in addition. "Perfect" is not fat. We were taught that everyone would have bodies like unto a 21-year-old, in the prime of life. My ski buddies in the BYU-produced temple movie were all 21, handsome, athletic, and blonde. (IRL, they were no angels!)
As my GA relative used to tell us kids, "No one has ever gone to heaven and reported back. We simply do not know these things."
Well, they're much less likely to get to the Mormon heaven. Here's why:
1) Mormon boys like their ladies thin.
2) There seem to always be more ladies than men in the Mormon singles congregations.
3) I recall hearing the fallout, 20 years ago, when a bishop in a BYU "older" singles ward was frank and told the ladies that a fair percentage of them just weren't going to get married. On account of points 1 and 2.
4) To get into heaven, ladies need to have been married to a priesthood holding dude.
5) Not enough dudes, dudes don't like fat ladies, fat ladies aren't going to get to heaven.
There's a man in central CA whose hip measurement would have to be somewhere between 66 and 72 inches. He's been a stake president, a mission president, and a temple president. If being overweight were going to keep anyone out of heaven, he would surely be high on the list, but the word on the street is that he and his wife have their "Go Directly to the CK" cards.