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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 01:57AM

The Great Salt Lake has really shrunk. It was a lot bigger in the 70's. There are some potential dangers from dust going airborne from the lakebed to dust causing the mountain snowfall to melt early.

I never hear my Utah relative who live in the area ever talk about this. Oh well. I'm not planning on ever moving back there so I will let them own the problem which could be a huge problem.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 02:11AM

Religionists believe it'll all be ok when Christ comes again, so Why Bother?

Eat, Drink, & Be Merry, ya know...

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 02:51AM

Tell us about 1983

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Posted by: [|] ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 03:21AM

Are you one of those climate change deniers who argues that since someplace had a very cold winter last year that the Earth isn't warming up?

One year does not negate a long term trend.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 08:57AM

I don't deny human-caused global warming. I have lived in Salt Lake long enough to know that the level of the great salt lake fluctuates severely.

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Posted by: [|] ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 02:23PM

> I have lived in Salt Lake long enough to know that the level of the great salt lake fluctuates severely

Yes it does, and the long term trend is downwards. If there is a year with above average precipitation, the level goes up. If there is below average precipitation, it goes down. The problem is Utah diverts an increasing amount of the inflow before it gets to the lake, so overall it is shrinking. A wet year 36 years ago doesn't change that.

https://www.standard.net/great-salt-lake-water-level-over-time-and-how-water/image_3475acfe-3650-5f32-8226-a2cb1e4b2aed.html

In case the graph is too difficult for you to understand, here are a couple of plain language articles

https://www.sltrib.com/news/environment/2017/12/16/scientists-say-the-great-salt-lake-is-disappearing-but-could-utah-residents-save-it/

https://www.deseret.com/2018/5/10/20644939/great-salt-lake-a-lake-no-more#the-shores-of-the-great-salt-lake-on-the-southwest-side-of-antelope-island-are-pictured-on-thursday-may-10-2018

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 02:30PM

So stop using up all the inflow. Problem solved.

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Posted by: [|] ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 02:32PM

Tell that to all of the residents of the Wasatch front.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 02:59PM

All the residents will walk to Missouri. Problem solved.

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Posted by: [|] ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 07:48PM

Sounds like the evangelical argument that we don't need to address any problems because Jesus will swoop down at the last second and save us.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: October 08, 2019 10:12AM

Haha. One problem solved but an even bigger one created for the folks of Missouri. Problem wouldn't be solved for them. Nosiree. Imagine millions of Mormons showing up all of a sudden and moving in on your once nice little town. But I guess that would just be a repeat of history for the Mormons. "God gave Missour to us!"

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: October 08, 2019 04:48PM

Please don't let them come here.

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Posted by: WillieBoy ( )
Date: October 15, 2019 12:35PM

More than 15 years ago I was going through the Nauvoo region of Illinois and dealing with farmers. Many did not like Mormons at all. Main reason was their moving into Nauvoo and telling local landowners "God has given this to us and you will be gone before long, one way or another". That attitude was not appreciated.

Just as in the 1800's Mormons are lousy neighbors and bring "persecution" on themselves.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: October 15, 2019 01:32PM

My junior GA brother bought 40 acres there at least 15 or twenty years ago. Luckily for the farmers he hasn't moved there. I probably ready to parcel it off to other Mormons. I don't ask. Would be interesting to know how many have done similar since you indicate the Farmers there have noticed that "special Mormon presence."

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Posted by: slskipper ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 06:50AM

I counter that by reminding you of 2015.

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Posted by: Beansandbrews nli ( )
Date: October 09, 2019 03:13AM

Remember the pumps after 83?

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Posted by: WillieBoy ( )
Date: October 15, 2019 12:36PM

The pumps are still there and still working. Each month service workers go out and check on them. When needed they will work.

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 03:56AM

The dry lake bed does have a hard crust which keeps the dust down but airborne dust from the dry lake bed can make people sick. It can affect water quality. Utah also has serious water problems; especially, the southern part of the state.

Oh well. We are building more temples and we have the new PISS up a rope youth program.

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Posted by: cl2 ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 09:03AM

My father's farm bordered the GSL in West Corinne and the lake had moved a long ways out compared to when I was young before we sold the farm. I tend to wonder how it was this past year since Bear Lake was filled to capacity this year and it hasn't been in YEARS--like 30 years. You could drive out onto the beaches for many years, but they had trouble finding spots to just stay for the day this year.

Hyrum Dam was FULL this year and I haven't seen that in all the years I've lived here.

But I definitely don't deny global warming. My fears are how it will effect my children and if I have any grandchildren. I'll be dead.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 11:45AM

I quit going to / worrying about GSL ever since the resort there burndt down, why trains used to have a depot there, no other transport needed....

the ORIGINAL Saltair...


anyone else remember for themself?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/06/2019 11:46AM by GNPE.

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Posted by: nolongerangry ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 11:49AM

You guys are worried about SL air quality? It is already at horrible levels. Just drive through the industrial part of town and look at all the smelters going full steam. Yeah.

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 05:02PM

Not to mention horrible temperature inversions during the winter.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: October 09, 2019 01:19PM

Except that there are no smelters but the one in Magna.

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Posted by: Aral Sea ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 12:01PM

I know the Utah State DNR Water Division people monitor GSL tributary water usage.
DNR water folks also know that the greatest (?) man-made ecological disaster is Joseph Stalin’s diverting two rivers, the Amu Darya the Syr Darya for his Soviet cotton industry, which killed the Aral Sea.
After enormous effort and many failures, a small portion of the north end of the Aral Sea is restored. Meanwhile, the remainder is a toxic dust source which causes all kinds of illness and distress. Socialism screwed Uzbeks and Kazakhs in that area.

Regarding AGW, what is the hottest decade in the last 100 years, and what was the concentration of CO2? Hints: not in my lifetime (I’ve seen my 50th birthday),and CO2 concentration that decade was lower than today’s 420 ppm.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 06:13PM

So what exactly is your point?

That human destruction of the environment is not occurring or that it is occurring but is the result of socialism?

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: October 08, 2019 10:55AM

Dammit ! You beat me to the punch line.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: October 08, 2019 12:20PM

It's almost like someone is so preoccupied with denials of science and hatred of socialism that he must include those two things in every post even if he does so in contradictory ways. It's positively Orwellian, I say.

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: October 09, 2019 01:02AM

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> It's almost like someone is so preoccupied with
> denials of science and hatred of socialism that he
> must include those two things in every post even
> if he does so in contradictory ways. It's
> positively Orwellian, I say.


if only they could have their deal keep up with how someone else so often finds a way to pose themselves as (supposedly) academically and intellectually superior in their many posts

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: October 09, 2019 01:06AM

> if only they could have their deal keep up with
> how someone else so often finds a way to pose
> themselves as (supposedly) academically and
> intellectually superior in their many posts

Your facility with words speaks for itself, smirkorama.

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Posted by: logged out for now ( )
Date: October 11, 2019 03:40PM

Not so much Orwellian as it is Jordanian.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: October 11, 2019 04:24PM

Yup.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 02:50PM

Our Earth, including the atmosphere, is a closed system.


the amount of any given material, including water, is a constant; the problems come with availability & location.


the water in my hot tub or in those previously used 50 gallon drums that Mormons collect water in Isn't available for fire fighting, is it?

It can be applied to flushing my toilet or watering my garden, but not conveniently, not much else.

Nature has cycles, but how much human activities change / alter / effect them is an open question, isn't it?


Yes, I know that my post is simplistic, but simple truths shouldn't be ignored.

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Posted by: ziller ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 04:22PM

it will be OK OPie ~

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Posted by: Jotta ( )
Date: October 08, 2019 07:14AM

On the plus side, they won't have to grit roads in winter.

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Posted by: ziller ( )
Date: October 09, 2019 12:35PM

lol @ utards living in the god-forsaken desert sh!thole wilderness that is utah ~


lol @ brigham young setting up a kingdom in a place where nobody else wanted to live ~


jus LOL out loud ~


lol @ all the utards that are stuck there now ~


come to Texas exmos ~



we got beaches and bikinis ~



the only ice we got is in our drinks ~

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Posted by: Ted ( )
Date: October 11, 2019 10:32AM

I am sorry, but when I hear about "shrinkage" in Utard, I cannot help but recall empirical evidence of shrinkage in another domain - that being the size of a Morman man junk. True, the pocket books of the average mormon is shrinking due to the pressure of donations to the cult. True, the average IQ of the mormon is shrinking due to cog dis and having to attend mind numbing meetings. However, the size of a Mormons junk has been shrinking begining with Joe and Brig - the tootsie roll brothers as I call them. On average, the size of a non-mormon's junk is 5.637'', but a comparable mormon's junk is only 2.3468. While I understand that the Q70/Q15 bring the average down for the Mormons, still shrinkage is a real problem for mormons.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: October 11, 2019 02:31PM

...that poor shell of a 70s quorum president who bragged that the circumference of his weenie when aroused was 3.14159" ...

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: October 11, 2019 03:02PM

Was that millimeters or centimeters?

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Posted by: tumwater ( )
Date: October 11, 2019 06:49PM

Do think population growth could be responsible for Climate Change and the Great Salt Lake shrinkage?

Year Utah Population
2020 3,282,115
2010 2,775,334
2000 2,233,169
1990 1,722,850
1980 1,461,037
1970 1,059,273
1960 890,627
1950 688,862
1940 550,310
1930 507,847
1920 449,396
1910 373,351
1900 276,749
1890 210,779
1880 143,963
1870 86,336
1860 40,273
1850 11,380



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/11/2019 06:54PM by tumwater.

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Posted by: Free Man ( )
Date: October 14, 2019 12:33AM

I assume those who worry about our environment are doing what I do:

Piss outside so you don't waste water flushing toilets

Shower briefly only every 2 to 3 days.

Don't wash plates or utensils - just let them dry between uses to prevent bacterial growth.

Live close to work and shopping so you can walk or bike.

Do not go to global warming marches or meetings. Most protestors burn fossil fuels to get there.

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: October 15, 2019 09:28AM

Maybe they never should have settled on the banks of a fetid salty cesspool.

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Posted by: snowball ( )
Date: October 23, 2019 02:50PM

I'm so glad the inspired profits, seethers and regurgitators have been so focused on making sure the environment is protected for future generations...;)

Oh, wait Jesus will be coming anyway. My TBM boss actually told me this is why the profits don't talk about the environment.

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