Date: October 06, 2019 12:40PM
Does anybody recall that when the church restructured its meeting schedule they forced classes to circle the chairs for the discussion of revelation regarding the ward?
And many of us were somewhat dumbfounded because the church had always taught that only the bishop could have pertinent revelations for the members of the ward. So after the change, a bunch of members have been sharing their revelations. Apparently, the church is enraged that members are sharing and teaching their own ideas about life after death. Send the dummy church leaders to the rescue!
-President Oaks asked members what they really know about the spirit world, then pointed out that the scriptures contain the basics, but not much else. He also taught that spirits continue to live in the spirit world after death, God’s and Jesus Christ’s work of salvation continues there, and some repentance is possible.
-President Oaks acknowledged that many people have reported visions of the spirit world, but he cautioned that these personalized experiences are not to be taught or understood as church doctrine.
-Additionally members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles have previously taught that not every statement by a church leader should be considered doctrine, especially when spoken on a single occasion. Doctrine is taught by all members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles and the First Presidency, he said.
Now this is not my intention to discuss or debate the evidence of near death experiences, but I have never stumbled across a written or oral account that described the need of temple ordinances, handshakes or passwords to enter the glory of the light.
Date: October 06, 2019 01:40PM
First, I second your admonition in your last paragraph: let's not get into a debate about near death experiences or the truth/falsity of personal revelation, spirit beings, and those gray areas (pun intended, here) of LDS teaching on the afterlife. What I'd like to hear are what people were taught at the informal ward level, and what revelations (also: promptings, directions, and leadings) 1) people they know/knew claimed to have had, and 2) such revelations Board members believed they had when active members.
There have been lots of postings about testosterone-rich RMs courting and proposing in quicktime. I think we can dispense with that sort of "revelation."
Somebody mentioned, recently, in a post, that Nelson (or somebody) at the recent General Conference gave a long talk about the spirit world. Does anybody know what the talk, and would a link be available? I'd love to hear it myself--for critical purposes, of course.