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If I had more hair I would pull it out, bastard Ballard says, “Natural man is the enemy of god”. You’ve got to fricken killing me. please shoot me.
He's quoting the book of mormon that paraphrase the new testament. This has been church doctrine since the begining.
appetites, impulses, weaknesses, blindspots and intellectual deficiencies that...well...repulse God and make God hate humans in their natural state.
First, thanks God! What were you thinking?? You just had to create something to hate?
I guess what God really wanted was a different kind of robot.
These (humans) are not the droids he was looking for.
The logical implications are that God is a kind of idiot savant. He knows how to make stuff--especially biological inventions--but is pretty much a freakin' imbecile in every other way imaginable.
Mormon doctrine used to make my head hurt. Then I realize that it's just a mishmash and hodge-podge of stuff that Joseph Smith, Jr. pulled out of his butt, combined with stuff that he plagiarized on an ad hoc basis, that was then added to with stuff that Brigham Young pulled out of his butt, that was subsequently partially modified under political pressures and due to inherent impracticality and incoherence that could not be sustained indefinitely, leaving us with bits and pieces of incoherence and incomprehensibility.
Mormon doctrine. It was once a thing deemed worthy of being expounded upon in detail in a thick eponymous tome written by an Apostle named Bruce R Adonkey (or something like that). But now it's a sin to have that book in your house because it makes Jesus sad to see his church's doctrine called "Mormon" doctrine.
My favorite quote from Mormon in Wonderland: "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast on Sunday...and twelve more before Sacrament Meeting starts."
First, thanks God! What were you thinking?? You just had to create something to hate?
I guess what God really wanted was a different kind of robot.
These (humans) are not the droids he was looking for.
The logical implications are that God is a kind of idiot savant. He knows how to make stuff--especially biological inventions--but is pretty much a freakin' imbecile in every other way imaginable.
Mormon doctrine used to make my head hurt. Then I realize that it's just a mishmash and hodge-podge of stuff that Joseph Smith, Jr. pulled out of his butt, combined with stuff that he plagiarized on an ad hoc basis, that was then added to with stuff that Brigham Young pulled out of his butt, that was subsequently partially modified under political pressures and due to inherent impracticality and incoherence that could not be sustained indefinitely, leaving us with bits and pieces of incoherence and incomprehensibility.
Mormon doctrine. It was once a thing deemed worthy of being expounded upon in detail in a thick eponymous tome written by an Apostle named Bruce R Adonkey (or something like that). But now it's a sin to have that book in your house because it makes Jesus sad to see his church's doctrine called "Mormon" doctrine.
My favorite quote from Mormon in Wonderland: "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast on Sunday...and twelve more before Sacrament Meeting starts."
To dream an impossible dream is a MoTab favorite.
My wife once told me that Mormon doctrine would make sense to me once I accepted that the Book of Mormon was true and that Joseph Smith truly was a prophet.
My response was that Mormon doctrine made even more sense once I realized that Joseph Smith was a conman and that I shouldn't accept anything he said or wrote as gospel.
My response was that Mormon doctrine made even more sense once I realized that Joseph Smith was a conman and that I shouldn't accept anything he said or wrote as gospel.
In other words, God like his men "unnatural." Goodness knows that there is nothing more unnatural than being Mormon, so perhaps the Mormons are the big winners in the Heavenly Sweepstakes.
Growing up, the most common used argument I heard against homosexuality was that it was "unnatural".
Yep. Which I guess means I am not an enemy of God. Yay???
I've heard people argue that before and it's complete BS.
Oh, you drive a car? And live in a house? And eat processed food? Do you have a dog? Any other pets? Are you wearing clothes? Do you ever use a computer? Cell phone?
Guess what MFers--THOSE THINGS DIDN'T GROW ON TREES. Unnatural my ass.
Oh, you drive a car? And live in a house? And eat processed food? Do you have a dog? Any other pets? Are you wearing clothes? Do you ever use a computer? Cell phone?
Guess what MFers--THOSE THINGS DIDN'T GROW ON TREES. Unnatural my ass.
Homosexuality exists in all human societies and homosexual behavior exists in many animal species. To argue that it is "unnatural" requires willful ignorance.
Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> Homosexuality exists in all human societies and
> homosexual behavior exists in many animal species.
> To argue that it is "unnatural" requires willful
> ignorance.
It depends on how you define unnatural. In many human societies, homosexuality is seen in entirely different terms from the west. In Islamic societies, it is tolerated before marriage to some extent, while in others, homosexuality was mandatory e.g. Sparta. Some tribal societies use homosexual rape as a rite of passage for young males. All quite different from your idea of it.
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> Homosexuality exists in all human societies and
> homosexual behavior exists in many animal species.
> To argue that it is "unnatural" requires willful
> ignorance.
It depends on how you define unnatural. In many human societies, homosexuality is seen in entirely different terms from the west. In Islamic societies, it is tolerated before marriage to some extent, while in others, homosexuality was mandatory e.g. Sparta. Some tribal societies use homosexual rape as a rite of passage for young males. All quite different from your idea of it.
Soooo many things I disliked with extreme prejudice about the cult...some of which I only learned about after discovering RFM. I just knew in my heart it was phony even as a deacon, but I went along and played out the hand anyway. Stupid me.
More contradictions....
Ballard is simply echoing the Book of Mormon.
BoM Mosiah 3:19 says "For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless [he becomes a follower of Christ]" (see also 1 Cor 2:14)
BUT:
D&C 84:46–47 says that it is the UNnatural that should be avoided (implying that natural things are good): “(For) every one that hearkeneth to the voice of the Spirit avoids every unnatural, unholy, and impure practice, (and) cometh unto God, even the Father.”
Brigham Young said: "Paul says in his Epistle to the Corinthians, 'But the natural man receiveth not the things of God,' but I say it is the unnatural man that receiveth not the things of God. That which was, is and will continue to endure is more natural than that which will pass away and be no more. The natural man is of God." (JoD 9:305).
And hasn't the church condemned homosexuality because it is "UNnatural"?
Ballard is simply echoing the Book of Mormon.
BoM Mosiah 3:19 says "For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless [he becomes a follower of Christ]" (see also 1 Cor 2:14)
BUT:
D&C 84:46–47 says that it is the UNnatural that should be avoided (implying that natural things are good): “(For) every one that hearkeneth to the voice of the Spirit avoids every unnatural, unholy, and impure practice, (and) cometh unto God, even the Father.”
Brigham Young said: "Paul says in his Epistle to the Corinthians, 'But the natural man receiveth not the things of God,' but I say it is the unnatural man that receiveth not the things of God. That which was, is and will continue to endure is more natural than that which will pass away and be no more. The natural man is of God." (JoD 9:305).
And hasn't the church condemned homosexuality because it is "UNnatural"?
nli Wrote:
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> Brigham Young said: "Paul says in his Epistle
> to the Corinthians, 'But the natural man receiveth
> not the things of God,' but I say it is the
> unnatural man that receiveth not the things of
> God. That which was, is and will continue to
> endure is more natural than that which will pass
> away and be no more. The natural man is of God."
> (JoD 9:305).
I don't know that we ever taught that.
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> Brigham Young said: "Paul says in his Epistle
> to the Corinthians, 'But the natural man receiveth
> not the things of God,' but I say it is the
> unnatural man that receiveth not the things of
> God. That which was, is and will continue to
> endure is more natural than that which will pass
> away and be no more. The natural man is of God."
> (JoD 9:305).
I don't know that we ever taught that.
What kind of a psycho God creates a "Natural Man" who is his enemy?
I guess you missed the bit about The Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Elder Berry Wrote:
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> I guess you missed the bit about The Tree of The
> Knowledge of Good and Evil.
No, it's just all nonsense.
No sense in trying to make sense out of nonsense.
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> I guess you missed the bit about The Tree of The
> Knowledge of Good and Evil.
No, it's just all nonsense.
No sense in trying to make sense out of nonsense.
I thought each individual is / was responsible for their own mistakes ('sins' in religispeak?)
So ( as the story goes) Adam and/or Eve 'sinned' by some awful act (sex? eating some fruit? IDK)
and according to Mormon leaders, I'm declared & adjudged a 'natural man' (no quibbles on that, I already had that figured!) but: An enemy to God?
- Not reciprocal, I didn't declare that this unseen, unknown 'God' person is an enemy of mine!!
- I'm still under the impression that Adam & Eve each should be responsible for their own choices / actions / mistakes 'sins', NOT ME.
anyone?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/07/2019 06:48PM by GNPE.
So ( as the story goes) Adam and/or Eve 'sinned' by some awful act (sex? eating some fruit? IDK)
and according to Mormon leaders, I'm declared & adjudged a 'natural man' (no quibbles on that, I already had that figured!) but: An enemy to God?
- Not reciprocal, I didn't declare that this unseen, unknown 'God' person is an enemy of mine!!
- I'm still under the impression that Adam & Eve each should be responsible for their own choices / actions / mistakes 'sins', NOT ME.
anyone?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/07/2019 06:48PM by GNPE.
It makes complete sense to me that a deity who "repented" of creating humanity and felt the need to destroy all of it but 8 people would even then be stuck with the natural man being an "enemy to God."
I hope God works for the government because otherwise he would long ago have been fired for gross incompetence.
I hope God works for the government because otherwise he would long ago have been fired for gross incompetence.
perhaps Adam / Eve should both have been required to register as (sex?) offenders; that should have solved the problem...
God does and you have to pass this test of life to be able to work for him.
Always thought that one was rather unhelpful, unfriendly,
hateful and impractical... to speak little of untasteful or untrue.
Strange thing is that quote/ verse/ "scripture" was in my head yesterday, or maybe this morning, and I thought Who Needs frenemies when FRIENDS act like Enemies?
The ENEMY is Mormonism.
That man is natural, or unnatural.
hateful and impractical... to speak little of untasteful or untrue.
Strange thing is that quote/ verse/ "scripture" was in my head yesterday, or maybe this morning, and I thought Who Needs frenemies when FRIENDS act like Enemies?
The ENEMY is Mormonism.
That man is natural, or unnatural.