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Posted by: Levi ( )
Date: December 02, 2019 02:49PM

The LDS Church and Kirton McConkie really want this story to just die, but I refuse.

The church's legal council is Kirton McConkie, but it USED to be Kirton McConkie Poelman right up until B. Lloyd Poelman got caught with his dick in a hooker's mouth.

Just posting this in case there's RFM'ers who don't know the story.

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: December 02, 2019 05:45PM


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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: December 02, 2019 06:02PM

Get a load of his Obituary...

Byron Lloyd Poelman
July 1, 1934 - April 11, 2014

   B. Lloyd Poelman passed away peacefully at home following a struggle with Lewy Body Disease. Lloyd lived a thorough life. He worked diligently to provide for his large family, he served God by dedicating his time and talents to numerous church callings and he remained an ever kind and gracious man.

   Born at home in Salt Lake City, Lloyd grew up with few material possessions, but rich in love, faith, and music. As a young man, Lloyd served an LDS mission to the Netherlands, his fatherland. In midlife, he served as president of the Tennessee Nashville Mission, accompanied by his companion Catherine and family where the last of nine children was born. He loved and served others as a bishop and stake president in the University, Bonneville and Monument Park North Stakes. After retiring from practicing law at Kirton McConkie, Lloyd served with his wife as senior missionaries in the rural town of Colina, Chile. Most recently Lloyd felt deeply privileged to serve in the Salt Lake Temple.

   Lloyd was largely a self-taught musician who composed several instrumental and choral numbers, enjoyed improvising on the piano and playing his organ. At different times in his life, Lloyd was drawn to pigeons, motorcycles, and books on the cosmos. He enjoyed years of construction projects and recreation at the beloved "Mill" in rural St. Charles, Idaho. With tools, stain, and sweat, he led the transformation of an old grain mill into an eclectic, inviting family gathering place.

   His wife Catherine Edwards, children Elizabeth (Stephen) Simmons, Rebecca (David) Bennion, Emily (David) Sheffield, Cathy (Marc) Boyden, Michael (Tawna), Martha (Todd) Ethington, Andrew (Betsabe), John, twenty-seven grandchildren and one great-grandchild, brothers Stuart (Helen), Keith (Linda), and sister Marva (Bob) Pothier are comforted to know Lloyd is once again vitally engaged on the other side of the veil alongside his son Stephen, his parents Hendrik and Ella, his brother Ronald (Anne), and sister Carol (Brent) Feltch.

   The family feels deep gratitude to compassionate friends, neighbors and medical personnel who helped them care for Lloyd over the past months and years.

   Better than flowers in Lloyd's memory would be contributions to the Temple Patron Assistance Fund.

   Funeral services will be Saturday, April 19, 2014, at noon at the Monument Park 2nd Ward, 1005 South 2000 East, Salt Lake City, Utah. A visitation will be Friday evening at the same location from 6-8 pm and at 10:30 am prior to services. Interment will be at Wasatch Lawn Memorial Park, 3401 Highland Drive, Salt Lake City, Utah.

   Published in Deseret News from Apr. 13 to Apr. 18, 2014

It is no surprise that having repented of his sin (sure, that was his one and only time!) he repented and was washed clean of his sin and returned to full activity, going on to serve a senior mission and then happily serve in the Salt Lake Temple.

For those who don't read the cited newspaper article, one of the highlights of the article is that a special stake conference was held, chaired by Boyd K. Packer, wherein the faithful were told that t'weren't a big deal, because Poelman had repented, and they knew he meant it. He was ex'd in a secret meeting following that stake conference. No doubt he was rebaptized after a minimal delay. And of course, the odds are that he'd already had his Second Annoying, as rich, powerful and connected as he was, what with a brother serving as a President of the 70.

Here's a notion put forward at that time, based on this source:

The thrust of this article is to fault Utah for allowing the church to control the flow of government. It seems that B. Lloyd Poelman was for some time previous to his arrest serving on a state committee that touched on pornography and he had to view examples of pornography.

Here's a snippet from the above link:

   "...To represent a broad spectrum of community interests, the governor’s office asked for a representative from the LDS Church. B. Lloyd Poelman, then a named partner in the law firm of Kirton, McConkie & Poelman that represents the Church in many legal cases, was appointed. Ronald E. Poelman, Lloyd’s brother, is a General Authority, a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy, which is ranked second to the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.

   "Nicholas G. Smith, who attended meetings of the task force over the next several months, stated: "Poelman always seemed to have his own agenda. He definitely was not an advocate for abused children. Rather, he manifested particular solicitude for the interests of large organizations whose agents might be perpetrating (wrongs) against children.

   "More serious questions about Poelman’s commitment to the moral protection of children surfaced two years later.


   "At a special conference of Monument Park North Stake on 14 August, Lloyd Poelman was released. He bore his testimony, hoped that 'anyone I have offended will forgive me,' and commented that 'my family has had struggles. These have been too public.

   "Elder Boyd K. Packer, acting president of the Quorum of the Twelve, presided over the conference, cautioned members of the stake not to talk about the stake’s 'family" matters', and assured the stake members, 'I felt relieved about President and Sister Poelman. Whatever else will take place, there will be no eternal consequences.'

   "Elder John E. Fowler, area president and member of the Second Quorum of the Seventy, stated that he had 'explicit trust' in Elder Packer and testified that 'that which has occurred in this reorganization is precisely what the Lord would have done if he were here.' Poelman was excommunicated later that day.


Now here's the good part!

   "Poelman chaired the now-defunct Citizens for Positive Community Values, a group begun about ten years (earlier) '...with pornography as a major issue.'


   "According to former member Darlene Hutchison, Poelman ‘had to habitually view videos to make decisions. It probably led to his downfall.’ She suggested that 'sexual addiction is a real risk of viewing such material' and she likened Poelman to 'a general killed in the field. ... Sometimes those leading the fight fall victim. He may have saved others from the same fate.’"

Special people get special treatment, because ... ghawd!

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Posted by: [|] ( )
Date: December 02, 2019 06:07PM

OK eod, you beat me to it.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: December 02, 2019 06:26PM

B.S. Poelman was totally a church guy.

In 1986 a report was written in which he preached that when a ward member went to his bishop or steak sauce president and 'confessed' to molesting 11 of the cub scouts in the ward's cub pack, neither church prelate should or could call the cops, because when a fact is revealed as part of confession, said fact cannot be revealed.

Instead, B. Lloyd Poelman said that he had yet to hear of a case in which the mormon prelate had been unable to convince the confessing member to 'turn himself in'.

I did not see the issue raised, that based on Poelman's standards, if the bishop or SP wasn't successful in getting the sinner to report himself to the cops, the bishop or SP COULDN'T tell anyone!

On the 42nd page of the document, Poelman reaches this conclusion:

   "That explains why we believe that in the limited circumstances I have defined, the Utah statute must be read as including a priest-penitent exception to child abuse reporting."

Also, check out this 2012 thread:,570394,571589

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Posted by: [|] ( )
Date: December 02, 2019 06:40PM

The governor asked LD$, Inc. for a representative (did he ask any other churches for representatives?), and who did they pick?
Not anyone from LDS social services who might have some professional expertise, nor even a GA for ecclesiastical authority. No, they picked their attorney - and as noted, one who had already opined that the church didn't need to report abuse.

Why am I not surprised by this?

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: December 02, 2019 06:57PM

You get what you pay for!!

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: December 02, 2019 09:06PM

Stake president and mission president. He was almost certainly covered by the second anointing and didn't even need to repent.

"Go forth, my son, and sin. . . whenever you want"

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Posted by: [|] ( )
Date: December 02, 2019 06:06PM

For more Poelman news,scroll down to section titled


which includes this comment

Nicholas G. Smith, who attended meetings of the task force over the next several months, stated: "Poelman always seemed to have his own agenda. He definitely was not an advocate for abused children. Rather, he manifested particular solicitude for the interests of large organizations whose agents might be perpetrating against children.

P.S. The spam code was FLYBN as in Fly By Night which is a good description of JS's church.

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