They take that to mean, four different lesson manuals or different conference talks about it. Most of them STILL do not know that there are four VERY DIFFERENT versions that were told by Joseph Smith. And I didn't hear it, but I'll guarantee he didn't add any of the things that totally contradicted the accepted version he came up with 17 years after the fact that is taught now. He probably added a few words from all of them like "and I heard" or "I saw." But those who have heard that there are other versions of the vision can rest assured that they were all compatible because they didn't hear anything they hadn't heard all their lives.
He did not talk about the 4 different versions. He made them sound like they are the same and I know church members tell me they are the same. They are not.
Ballard seems to have his life energy drained from him. I think he may be feeling like I did when my wife died. I had no answers after being a member all my life. He looked lost and I felt he was lost and just doing this talk as he had to. It took me about 3 years to come to the fact, "we as members of the Church do not have a clue about death and dying." Once I got to that point I could move on and now I just roll my eyes when people talk about families are forever.
So guy prays and jumps into ocean and there are his glasses. Do you know how many times I prayed to have my wife healed from ALS. So I guess glasses are more important than letting a great, beautiful woman die of ALS. Like I said my view of God has changed greatly. I think there is a God but not the one the Church teaches.
Serious-fuking-ly??? They're going to do the hanky wave on TV and we don't even need a worthiness interview to get in? Should we all hold up our glasses of wine and drone "Hosannah, Hosannah, to God and the Vine!"
Oh, of course. You certainly wouldn't want to see anybody hold up a red hankie, so I'll stick to the holy color of wine. Got a Sauvignon Blanc that's been open a few days but it's good enough for that I suppose.
I hope they don't start panic buying handkerchiefs this evening, when toilet paper works just as well. I'm sure they can spare at least one square for this cult activity.
I remember when going to temple dedications they checked at door if you had white hankie. Dusty Rusty said this am that if you don't have a white hankie, you can wave your hand instead. He is taking the Church apart piece by piece with no thought about how that affects old members who have supported the church in many ways including financial.
How pathetic. Is this the spectacle Nelson has been promising for this conference? Mormons calling upon their non-existant Morgod to save the world, by mumbling a meaningless chant, while waving a white handkerchief? What about simple, heartfelt prayers from people crying in distress? Jesus/God is supposed to hear and answer those....
How about Mormons donating to manufacturing an anti-viral or vaccine or more respirators?
If I were currently a believing Mormon, this would be the. Ail in the coffin.
I have participated in several “hosanna shouts”, and it was very creepy, and, just lame! It is not a shout, but a low, deafening mumble. Too me, it sounded like a collective voice of doom. “Hosannah, hosannah, hosanna, to god and the Lamb.” At the end of each phrase, the voice drops, just like the peculiar drop in the GA voices during their dirge-like speeches.
I’m fighting PTSD attacks, and hearing that would push me over the edge. I’m glad the whole congregation won’t be there to join in. Lordy! Rich Mormon geezers waving hankies and chanting—-donate (our) money to save lives, if you love humanity!
Waving a white handkerchief is a sign of surrender.
I wonder how many testimonies will be lost in this.
My one and only experience with this was with Gordo (The Salamander) Hinckley leading it. It was more like a muffled old man’s COPD rasp at mezzo forte. Totally underwhelming. After it was over I kept thinking...that’s it? The Boner in the Hankie
The purpose of the Hosanna Shout is to give praise and honor to HF and JC. Stupid Mormons, always on the wrong end of social etiquette. You normally thank people (or Gods) when they do something nice? What is there to thank these two about these days? Thank you for the lovely COVID 19? Mormons are idiots.