*** Admin note: One of the mods pulled this one for the antisemitic content in the post, but I wanted our readers to see it. This does indeed seem to be written by our past poster, Exmo Aspie. ***


Good Morning.

For those of you who have been on this board for four-ish years now may remember seeing regular posts from a high school senior with the handle of "Exmo Aspie". I am that man who was that boy. You may remember my posts about family life and of course my seminary class.

I am here, because I grew up and became an adult, leaving behind the edgy, cringy teenage years and the edgy, cringe-worthy thoughts and beliefs that I was groomed by all of you to believe. I am here because I am angry. Angry at all of you for preying on a 17 year old kid with a cock-tail of depression and autism. Turning him against his beliefs, his family, and his people.

I have learned exactly how you people operate. The lies you people tell. Attacks on the LDS Church have so little to actually do with religion and theology. Its about power and politics. Its about who gets to be hold hegemonic power in the Intermountain West, and its clear there are some extremely wealthy and powerful people(many of them Jewish) who want to break the power of Mormon culture/religion in the Intermountain West, because it is a threat to their power and their wealth.

But I suppose I am getting ahead of myself. You all tell this lie, that breaking the grip of Mormonism will make you free! Free from having to pay tithing, to go to church on Sunday. Now what do we see from this "Freedom" that becoming the eternal exmo brings? You become a slave to yourself. A slave to your selfish desires. Is being addicted to pornography that fries your dopamine inhibitors, harms your sexual well-being, and trafficks women all for the sake for making a small group of Jewish men handsomely wealthy actually freedom? Is becoming addicted to the use of substances such as tobacco, alcohol, and drugs that drain your wallets and destroy your homes freedom? Is spending most of your time alone in your bedroom doing something completely unproductive because you burned bridges with your friends and family carrying out the "exmo crusade" instead of fostering healthy relationships with other people and having experiences, is that Freedom?

The entire time I spent as an exmo, I was so deeply unhappy. Miserable even. Nothing in my life went well. Everything I did ended in failure.

But then, I grew up. I matured. And from that point on, I returned to the TRUE GOSPEL. I built myself into the man that I, not you, wanted me to be. From then on, I have enjoyed happiness. I have enjoyed success. On April 26, 2019 I was married to the love of my life for time and all eternity in the Provo City Center Temple. My life has been a storybook fairy tale ever since, and every day is the best day ever.

This post will probably be deleted. This board always did sponsor an echo chamber. But if you're reading this and were around back then. Know you lost. Know you, and all of the powerful and rich institutions that back you, are going to lose. Know that Mormon Nationalism is on the rise. Know that it is showing no signs of slowing down. Know that we will never kneel, never bend, never break, and never surrender. THE MOUNTAINS SHALL NOT FALL.



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Well, that escalated quickly....

Exmo Aspie has been nursing an antisemitic and white nationalist grudge for a while. I guess he ran into some Mormons who decided to take advantage of that and pull him back into the cult.

Where did he get the vocabulary here? "Its about who gets to be hold hegemonic power in the Intermountain West, and its clear there are some extremely wealthy and powerful people(many of them Jewish) who want to break the power of Mormon culture/religion in the Intermountain West, because it is a threat to their power and their wealth."

Someone's been feeding him a line of BS. I hope he gets away from them and gets the help he needs.

CZ (admin)

Like a dog returning to its own vomit. . .

Oh my dear Aspie. I hate to use such an often overused phrase but this situation, that post, begs for it.

Me thinks thou dost protest too much.



I usually say that in modern English but since by now ye are heavily invested as a Mormoon in the "thees and thous and doth's and sayeth's," that ye would feel warmed to read a response in sixteenth century Bible speak that Mormons love. You know, like that language which Joseph borrowed for his novel from the KJV.

BTW. According to the Bible Jews are still God's chosen people so be careful about the anti-semetism. Jesus is still a Jew.

This guy sounds like he is extremely vulnerable to being sucked in to any type of unfounded group-think. It's a good thing he didn't stumble into a group that recruits young terrorists or something life threatening.

I find it interesting he can "see how we operate" here, but somehow can't see how his religion or the anti-sematic conspiracy groups operate.

I also note that here is an example that Mormons harbor pockets of extreme racism which is what they have been trying desperately to ditch.

Whatever and..whatever...

Lol..exactly..whatever

...so a few old men can get wealthy...

Getting married in the temple, which means paying tithing, does indeed help serve to make the organization run by a few old men in the inter-mountain West quite wealthy.

It's all about catch-words and focus.

And quite likely it revolves around the woman who trapped him. Harsh, perhaps, but think it through.

He's probably in one of those Idaho wards where they won't let girls refuse an invitation at church dances.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hey, don’t knock the gender imbalance. Utah is like the movie trope when a young guy happens into a tribe of Amazons.

Why would Jews profit from the porn industry when wanking is considered a serious sin in their religion? Maybe you should study their beliefs and adopt them. Heck, why bother with being a pretend Jew (AKA Mormon) when you could be the real thing. I’m pretty sure circumcision is optional.

If the Mormon delusion work for Aspie, fine. Just hope he doesn't do anything dangerous to other people with his "Mormon Nationalism" .

Is that some Bundy thing?

So Exmo Aspie, you are what now, 22? I'm sorry, but you are still a baby.

>>My life has been a storybook fairy tale ever since, and every day is the best day ever.

This makes me think that you have been the one smoking crack. No life is a "storybook fairy tale." Some days are great, some are awful, and most are somewhere in the middle. And that's for everyone -- Mormon, exmo, or nevermo.

I'd love to know what we ever did to you except be kind. Our standard advice to teenagers is to do well in school, earn money, and do what your parents expect until you are old enough to make your own way in life. In what way was that bad advice?
And as for thinking that all of us advocate porn, and "becoming addicted" to various substances, again, are you high? We advocate making whatever is the best choice for yourself. That does require a certain level of maturity as opposed to constantly needing church authorities telling you what to do.

Plenty of people lead productive, happy lives without "benefit" of the Mormon church. I have. I have a loving family, money in savings, a home that is less than four years of being paid off, and a secure retirement to look forward to.

YOU, on the other hand, have 40+ years of hard labor ahead of you. I wish you luck, I really do, because as a seasoned veteran of life, I know that you have absolutely no idea of what is ahead of you, and that will include some incredible peaks and some dismal valleys. If you want to live your life Mormon, and feel that represents your best happiness, no one here will stop you from doing so.

And for Pete's sake, get a new group of friends. The ones you have right now are not serving you well.

Pure gold right there.

summer said:

"I'd love to know what we ever did to you except be kind. Our standard advice to teenagers is to do well in school, earn money, and do what your parents expect until you are old enough to make your own way in life. In what way was that bad advice?"


I was going to say the same about kindness. I recall your board name. I would be willing to certify that many posters here went out of their way to be helpful and kind to you. It's great to hear that you feel happy at this point. Perhaps you could enhance your happiness by losing the seeming need to cast aspersions on others, especially those who took time and effort to try and support you. IOW, be happy, without throwing stones.

I share the feelings of others who have already commented re your apparent one-sided views (to put it mildly) about various groups.Hopefully, you can find a spot more towards the middle and rest there. That way lies more contentment, I believe. Also, I don't think happiness is built on top of a seething pile of resentment, bitterness or misplaced accusations.

I hope you can get to know middle-of-the-road folks and keep on a path of even-keel thoughts and opinions. That could include being thankful at least for lessons learned, even those that come the hard way, and not being grudgy about what's gone before. Especially not when strangers offered kindness. If it didn't fit for you that's fine. But it was given with good intent by selfless people who always step up to the plate when someone asks for help. They do it especially quickly and softly when a young person is involved, such as you were when you posted here in the past.

Maybe you could find time to read a bit of history and a biography or three. Use plenty of sources and resources. Don't limit yourself to receiving info from just one source, whatever it may be and however much faith you feel in it. Expand your horizons!


Also, immortal words from Done & Done:

"Jesus is still a Jew."

(For those who say they still believe, it defies my ability to grasp how they can call themselves Christian yet spout anti-Semitic talking points).



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Nicely written Summer. I am unable to fathom a group think here as the wide variety of personalities that post make that impossible. The only common denominator is some or, unfortunately, a lot of experience with Mormonism. Our paths outside of Mormonism is what makes this an interesting place. There is no one path. Aspie, if you are reading this, you have made a poor choice at this time in your life. It is your life, but do not let others control you. You appear to have given up on independent thinking and you are rebroadcasting crap that has been fed to you. Good luck. We do wish you well.



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Somebody has way too much time on his hands.

Take care, Aspie. And remember that it was YOU who sought us.

One thing: No one is assigned a name here. It was you who tilted yourself "Aspie."

Bear in mind, there are groups who are very willing to take in a member whom they believe has an idiosyncrasy or a disability that they can exploit and manipulate. They will seize upon someone with Aspergers (Autism) to take the fall for them, or even commit acts that can get you imprisoned, hurt, or killed. These people will not help you. You were precious to us--but, a throw-away to them.

I suspect your new in-laws are heavily into white supremacy. I've seen how this works.

Your name may have been "Aspie" here. With your new affiliation, you may be "Toadie" or "Patsy."

>> "I am that man who was that boy"

You may have added a few years, but this post clearly indicates you are still "that boy."

I hope you don't mean that as a point against him...

I know I'm still a boy at heart. But apparently I fit in enough so that I quite enjoy it.

That fact that you sought input from this board years ago, then went back to the reason you came here and fully embraced it, then return years later complaining that you were groomed and misled and its all our fault and part of the exmo board conspiracy because the power and wealth of the church is a threat to our power and wealth, and now you know the real truth and you will never surrender or be defeated.....is why you're still....that boy.

Grow up....or don't.

Rich and powerful institutions back us? I though it was some guy with a saxophone in Tennessee, who had to pass the hat for ISP fees.

Plz send CZ names of those in this international cabal intent on taking down LDS Inc. if we are their main tool, they really ought to kick in a few bucks.

/s

"Some guy with a saxophone in Tennessee".

Priceless!

He's been a busy boy--got addicted to drugs and porn, then got indoctrinated on the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", then had time to turn around and repent and get married in the temple.

Yikes. Kind of looks that way. Some people really do better with external controls,

What I remember as a member trying to fit in and be accepted in the mormon church: I know the church is true...

I remember being taught that people were free to chose, but then being threatened (in the temple for example) that if you ever think or believe differently then you will be damned forever.

And how many times has the church changed its rules, beliefs, doctrines and policies?

The only advice (from members who did their best to make the church work) was a sense of relief and hope that they made a great decision to leave. Maybe I have been asleep here at RfM, but where are the threads advocating ex-mos to become porn and drug addicts?

If RfM is an echo chamber just call me Alexa the chamber maid.

Best of luck to you.








Next!

I understand where you are coming from OP.

I posted this today.

"When I rebelled in my teens I had been cleansed of the belief. It took a reconversion as an adult to get me participating again and that was a lackluster conversion. I needed something to believe to keep straight and sober and not give into my addictive tendencies. Mormonism was the system I knew."
https://www.exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,2322499

But I also posted this.

"I was speaking to my brother on the phone last night and he was talking about Reiki and meditating, and other things and it was so nice to listen to his experiencing the self exploration Mormonism diametrically opposes if not it words in deeds.

Here we were. Two brothers in disbelief discussing metaphysical things in the context of experiencing physical realities using metaphysical understandings and none of it was Mormon. It was nice. It was real. It wasn't the contrived spirituality of Mormonism. At one point he spoke of hearing a voice and I joked that it was The Holy Spirit. It was an inside joke many here could hear and understand."

You are in a vulnerable place where the people you think you can trust are the family and friends who didn't support you in your disbelief. It is a hard row to hoe. I've been there. Just one word of advice. Try to be an unconditionally loving father if you have children which I'm sure you will try given the directive to have them.

I wasn't a nice person as a Mormon. I was angry all the time and turned to porn as my addiction because it wasn't as bad as the others in my Mormon muddled mind. What I couldn't admit to myself was my anger and depression were very much a part of my participation with Mormonism. It wasn't the white spotless thing of Celestial salvation I wanted it to be. It was a Band-Aid that I'm glad I didn't use for the rest of my adult life.

If you ever turn a corner on Mormonism, do it with understanding and grace if you can. The anger is still there in you I think. You've just decided to turn it on us strangers who were simply offering you free advice and some supportive words.

Good luck and good luck to your future family.

"mormon nationalism"?

Oh FFS, white supremacists who are supreme to other white supremacists due to the "speshulness" of their "penishood"?

Good grief.

Well of course. The True White Supremacy was restored in these, the latter days. It had been corrupted with fake white robes and secret handshakes. And no aprons. Gots to have aprons.

Male supremacy and MLM supremacy was also restored. Isn't it marvelous? Isn't it wonderful?!

Nuthin more uber righteous than someone who has embraced a delusion once again.

I can't remember what if anything I ever commented in response to your posts, but all I ever wanted for you was that you become your own person and that you be happy. If you truly are your own person and truly are happy, I'm thrilled for you.

My opinion has always been that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is not The One True Church for me, but it may very well be just that for someone else. If it works for you, more power to you. May peace be with you, and may you live a long and fulfilling life.

You are a sweetheart, scmd1.

You are a sweetheart as well, Nightingale.

:)

I dunno, seems that when a person doesn't want to be a part of the mormon church, porn addiction is the first thing mentioned. Then when they don't want to return to it, porn addiction. Anyone against mormonism, porn addiction. There are many reasons why a person wants out, but it's rarely porn addiction.

Yes. Having porn addictions or having hurt feelings seem to be reasons commonly cited by Mormons for others having left the COJCOLDS, but I don't know of anyone who actually left the LDS church for either of those reasons. I know I didn't.

Mormons think anyone who doesn’t believe in their BS is either deceived or stupid. It can’t be that they carefully evaluated the evidence and made a rational decision.

plz go ~


thx ~

Sorry but this doesn't add up.

He married April of 19 in the temple?

He had time to turn his life back to mormonism and get temple ready. Marry without going on a mission then 15 months later writes us?

He married the Stake President's daughter.

All is right in Zion!!

It might take a certain personally type to be an exmo. Going against the group is an old person’s game. Imagine trying to do it when you’re in your 20s.

There’s a certain safety in numbers. All religions are made up myths based on human experience of the divine. With Mormonism, there’s something there but it requires you to buy into the myth. Fair enough, but once you know it’s made up by ordinary men at best and deeply disturbed individuals at worst, you become sure you could explain it all better. But heresy doesn’t go over well.

I’m way older than 20, so Mormonism is a bad fit. Maybe it was a good fit when I was in my 20s. But geez, it was a brutal 40 years. I was never enough. I had an eternal companion. Nothing was ever enough. Nice combination, right. Here’s what I learned as an exmo: I was always enough. I didn’t need the approval of religio-fascists. It wasn’t me, it was them. It was them all along. Here’s the thing about abusive relationships. When you’re ready to leave, you leave. Unless your abuser kills you, but isn’t that leaving?

Excellent post in my opinion. Like an abusive parent Mormonism, is. Hopefully we can grow to live a life outside of their control.

Who are you?

And

What makes you so unhappy?

Nobody wants to know.

Telling for a friend.

Good catch, Susan.

Now that is a response,Susan!

Try on your own words for size, Aspie.

"But sadly, the hate is real."

And he has been assimilated to it.

Appears that OP just wanted to come here and troll.

He probably showed his opening post to his wife, got some affection in return.

But his timing is in any event bad. He's embracing white nationalism just as it goes out of fashion.

I'll bet he wears bell-bottom jeans too.



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Bell bottoms could make a comeback.

TSCC is like a funhouse filled with warped mirrors. OP is seeing the world in those mirrors so there are all kinds of trippy projections.

Oops, it’s been 10 minutes. Better get back to my porn addiction.

These were Aspie's last threads (Feb and June 2017):

https://www.exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1940764

https://www.exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1985032

As you can see, full of outrageous predatory behavior. </s>

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"Know that Mormon Nationalism is on the rise."

Yeah, Deznat is very scary. LOL.

Oh dear. I wonder if his dream job is where his new found zeal for white nationalism came from.

^^^^^ Read the above links ^^^^^

I think this is the explanation for the extreme about face of our Aspie friend.

He thinks RfM is a "movement."

"So all the years of work you guys poured into our movement is paying off in amounts I didn't see so large so fast."

I think his new associates think that.

Hey Exmo Aspie, for a minute there you had me going buddy lol. I had to go recheck all my notes especially the facsimiles in the POGP to be sure that they are still translated incorrectly and that the papyri was really just a book on how to breath in the afterlife.

The good news is, the quote by Hinckley stands firm: "Our whole strength rests on the validity of [Joseph Smith's] vision. It either occurred or it did not occur. If it did not, then this work is a fraud."

The bad news is that it's a fraud. Continue to pay your tithes, serve your callings, read your standard works, wear your sacred garments, and keep on doing the mental gymnastics to make it all fit in to your understanding of the world. Lol, one born every minute.

Everyone has followed a path in life different than others. I see no reason to criticize, bully, or be unkind to the OP.

Some make it away, some find out it is a hoax and stay in for personal reasons, some find comfort in the cult. The cult would embrace someone returning, maybe that is what is needed at the time.

I wish a happy day and happy life for you however YOU choose to do. Try to make your choices your own and you will be fine.

Exmo Aspie,

I truly mean this. May you be happy and fulfilled in your life whether it is in the Church or out. It is your Path. Walk it with pride.