Brother Of Jerry
Date: May 02, 2021 02:15AM
You think 18 year olds have whole career plans? And how does this so-called career plan get destroyed? It seems to me that a lot of people's career plans are subject to change at various points in their lives, sometimes planned, sometimes just random events that are thrust upon them. (“The best laid schemes o' mice an' men / Gang aft a-gley.”)
Anything that delays what would have been your normal course of action is by definition a disruption, so yes, missions are disruptions. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But claims that missions aren't disruptive are right up there with claims that a mission is the best two years of your life, is a spiritual feast, yada yada yada. Sugar-coated denialism, IMHO
Date: May 02, 2021 02:34AM
I was 'older' (21?) when I left.
except for meeting the now former wife (afterwards, wouldn't have happened if I didn't go), I wish I'd stayed with my employment that I gave up to go, I'd be happier & richer now.
How well I would have blended in with Mormonism had I not gone is not completely settled, but I've always been skeptical. d
Donating $ to ChurchCo wasn't ever appealing to me.
Now, I don't understand how Mormons deal with the core essentials of Christ-Like living, Honesty, Kindness, etc. they seem 100% AWOL today!!
Date: May 02, 2021 03:36AM
I am just glad that I did not graduate from BYU. As an RM with good high-school grades, I am sure that I could have gotten in to BYU. But after resigning from the church, I would have been stuck with an ongoing affiliation to that cult, every time my academic credentials came up, for the rest of my life. What a mess that would have been. Then you've got to explain to the church members at work that you're an apostate, or explain to the non-members at work that you made a mistake by serving a mission and attending a religious college that you no longer believe in. What a mess that would be. At least after ten years passed, my mission dropped off of my resume without leaving a conspicuous hole in my timeline. Coincidentally, that's about the same time I resigned from the church.
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Date: May 02, 2021 04:50PM
I think it depends on where you live and what your career goals are. For Steve Young, not going on a mission was a good career move.
It would be interesting to survey missionaries 10/20 years after their missions and ask them if their missions hurt or helped their education/career plans.
A mission isn't just a two year college interruption while doing something useful, like volunteering with the Peace Corps or traveling just for fun. It is religious indoctrination, rejection, mental manipulation, guilt, emotional trauma, etc.
I don't know that my mission threw a wrench into my career plans because I didn't have any when I served. It did interrupt college for me and I found it more difficult to pick up where I'd left off when I returned from my mission. I was promised that the discipline I'd acquire as a missionary would make me a better student. It didn't. It's one of the things I can't stand about the Mormon church: so many bogus promises.
Date: May 03, 2021 01:21AM
Absolutely. I had academic scholarships that were paying for my undergraduate studies. Before I turned 19, the bishop kept hinting that he expected me to submit my paperwork. A year later, he called me into his office and, I suppose, in his own way called me to repentance, told me god didn't need me, and that I was setting a bad example to all of the younger men/boys in the ward for not having submitted paperwork to go on a mission.
I was livid. I simply responded that I never presumed god needed me and told him in no uncertain terms to never call me into his office again - that if I decided to go, I'd let him know.
Eventually, around the middle or end of September back in 1987 I completed the paperwork and told the bishop to his face that I would appreciate it if he would expedite so I could leave in December of January so it would cleanly fall between semesters at the university. The asshat sat on the paperwork and I ultimately ended up leaving to the MTC at the end of March in 1988 - the middle of a semester. This meant I would return in the middle of a semester.
When I returned, the asshat bishop assigned the topic of tithing for a homecoming talk making up some story that too many missionaries were returning and that everybody was tired of traditional homecoming talks. That might've made sense in Utah, but, I lived in Austin, Texas.
To this day, I still resent that asshat for intentionally sitting on the paperwork because it prevented me from completing the spring semester before I left, and prevented the same upon my return. So, from my perspective, the 2 year culturally pressured servitude unnecessarily delayed my undergraduate studies... I was three years behind my colleagues who weren't stuck in a cult. Additionally, I forfeited the academic scholarship funding due to the stupid mission obligation (you know - the duty they told me I had agreed to do while in the "pre-existence" from my toddlerhood through elementary school middle school, high school, and four years of mind numbing LDS early morning seminary indoctrination).
I could have completed my undergraduate studies three years earlier, gone to graduate school three years sooner, and began a professional career three years earlier (and conceivably, retired three years earlier than I did).
The Portugal Porto Mission was interesting (especially dealing with the mission president who eventually left his wife for the mission home maid...), but, I am now embarrassed to have been in a cult, and totally regret wasting two physical years (and three academic/professional years) as the result of trying to be what the cultist told me I was supposed to be. I'm so glad I've been cult free for nearly 25 years now.
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Date: May 03, 2021 12:11PM
There were 3 of us who went on missions with a 6 month period from my ward (after a period of 4 years where only 2 went; partly because the stake presidency declared them all immoral and dropped church discipline on them).
All 3 of us attended a year in junior college after high school~ 19 to serve a mission and tried to work jobs to save money for the mission. We were all advised by the dept chair know-it-all professor who worked where we were attending that all we needed to do was to submit a letter of intent that our collegiate studies would be interrupted to serve a 2 year mission for our church. So long as we turned it into the administration office, then we were good in protecting our "catalog rights" as undergrads.
So I had problems when trying to finish my 2 year mission. The church played a let's screw the missionary game. My mission transfers were always at the end of each month. I think they were always on the last Thursday if I recall correctly. Knowing that I needed to get my life in order and register for college, I requested to leave my mission one month early. I'm sure my MP was pleased!
Except the church switched the transfers for to the first week. I was told that I would have to get special approval from the missionary department to leave early because it was more than 30 days. If I waited for my official 2 years, it was the last day in Aug! Way too late to register for the Fall Semester.
Thankfully, I was able to leave in early July.
Now here's 2 reasons I feel the mission set me back.
First, I found out that the college did NOT honor that letter. I lost my catalog rights and found out that I was classified as a dropout! This happened to the other two guys who served mission as well. This cause a lot of havoc, I had to take additional bonehead classes that would have been waived! The dumbest one was a lecture hall class with a mock up robot having a pre-recorded cassette about Artificial Intelligence. I couldn't even attend on a day that I was already attending. I ended up attending 5 days a week because I was in the last group to register.
Secondly, the church demanded payment for the last month that I was home. My Mom felt pressured to pay up.
That left me short to pay for college. I couldn't afford to take a full load (and I had to take a non credit AI computer course to learn study/organizational skills that would have been waived). Just to make matters worse, I was not allowed to seek a parking permit until the last day. They were sold according to your college ranking. Remember, I was classified as a dropout and deserved nothing.
Not having a parking permit, I went across the street to the church institute. I was told that I would need to enroll to get a parking permit. They would not let me enroll without a stake signed letter that I was a missionary. Sheez!!!
I finally enrolled in the only class open, a church class about love, courtship and marriage. I had an evening parking permit. So I parked near the front off the city street. I received a deluge of parking tickets.
And I had more problems when I transferred to a state college from my interrupted education.