https://www.vice.com/en/article/3aqjkn/the-universe-is-a-giant-donut-that-we-live-inside-new-research-suggests

The Universe Is a Giant Donut That We Live Inside, New Research Suggests,

In a paper recently published on the arXiv preprint server, a team of astrophysicists and cosmologists from Ulm University and the University of Lyon have studied the leftover light from the Big Bang—known as the Cosmic Microwave Background, or CMB—and determined that the universe may not be a flat plane, as many scientists currently believe.

“The example in our paper is… a donut shaped universe model,” explained Thomas Buchert, a professor of cosmology at the University of Lyon and coauthor on the new paper, in an email. This shape is also known as a three-torus, Buchert wrote, AKA a three-dimensional donut. The idea that the universe has a torus shape is at the center of some pretty far-out stuff, such as the CIA’s 1980s Gateway report on psychic phenomena.

This paper has not yet been peer-reviewed, but Buchert said it has been submitted to journals for consideration.

Buchert and colleagues are not the first to propose an oddly shaped universe. The idea of a torus shape originated in the 1980s, and new data reinvigorated discussions among researchers in 2003. But in the last 18 years scientists have broadly come to a different conclusion about the universe’s shape. Namely, they believe it to be geometrically flat—meaning parallel lines in the fabric of spacetime remain parallel—and infinitely expanding. This last tenet is evidenced by observed redshifts, a signal from light that it’s retreating, at the edge of the universe.

Just think, Homer Simpson discussed this very idea with Stephen Hawking more than 20 years ago.

Simpsons predicted a hell of a lot of things accurately.
https://youtu.be/Mje7frMYzcY

Oh, come on. Everyone knows the universe is shaped like a teapot, which is technically a genus two torus. We live in the shell of the teapot. The inside of the teapot, and the handle, are the two holes in the torus.

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I was so going to write this up as a parody of your style.

Oh well, this has got to be a corollary of Poe's Law.

Tyson

So Kolob is in the star system Krispy Kreme?

Dark matter must be coffee.

LOL'd out loud ~


thx roy g. ~

The next time I go to Yum Yum, I will be mindful of all the civilizations inside my donut being annihilated to satisfy my insatiable hunger. I'll say, "Too bad, little people!" as I destroy their universe. But perhaps one will escape on a stray sprinkle that falls out of the box.

[Sorry, I can't think of a good Russ Nelson General Conference donut joke.]

The Nelson family has spent years preparing for their eternity of godhood by practicing making donut universes.

LOL ~


just LOL ~


at OPie's deluded scientists ~

He made the international sign of the donut.

Humans are donuts.

Dave the Atheist Wrote:
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Lol!

Too Early, and the hangover from that wild Saturday Night party . . .

If the universe is continually expanding, what would keep the hole in the middle of the donut from closing?

How far away from the universe would one have to stand in order to get a sense of what it resembles?

And if you're outside the universe, looking back at the universe, what do you see when you twirl 180 degrees?



My personal theory, for which I have the utmost respect, but zero evidence, is that if you could stand back far enough from the universe, it would look like a skateboard giving birth to a bouquet of naked hydrangeas.

What would be your expectation, now that I've opened up this can of gigantic space worms?

elderolddog Wrote:
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> If the universe is continually expanding, what
> would keep the hole in the middle of the donut
> from closing?
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It could do bagel transition!? :-o

elderolddog Wrote:
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> If the universe is continually expanding, what
> would keep the hole in the middle of the donut
> from closing?
>
> How far away from the universe would one have to
> stand in order to get a sense of what it
> resembles?
>
> And if you're outside the universe, looking back
> at the universe, what do you see when you twirl
> 180 degrees?
>
>
>
> My personal theory, for which I have the utmost
> respect, but zero evidence, is that if you could
> stand back far enough from the universe, it would
> look like a skateboard giving birth to a bouquet
> of naked hydrangeas.
>
> What would be your expectation, now that I've
> opened up this can of gigantic space worms?


According to the mathematician who just won a Nobel Prize for proving Einstein’s prediction of black holes, Roger Penrose, there are many more than 3 dimensions and the universe is manifold shaped, like a donut, but with 11 dimensions, which is when the dark energy math starts adding up.



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You are always off-topic.

We are discussing donuts. Please try to keep up.

elderolddog Wrote:
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> My personal theory, for which I have the utmost
> respect, but zero evidence, is that if you could
> stand back far enough from the universe, it would
> look like a skateboard giving birth to a bouquet
> of naked hydrangeas.

I think it would resemble a very surprised blue whale and a bowl of petunias...

         

Shouldn't this thread have been titled "What if 'God' is a masterbaker?"

The Universe has to get its cream filling somehow.

What's beyond the donut ?

...and where's the coffee?

D'oh!

Actually, the universe is a giant croissant where light years are stacked in layers.

I can do the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs.



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I once GOT the Kessel runs!

I hope you weren't wearing your holy garments.

Which was totally stupid script writing. A parsec is a unit of distance, not speed.

You are right.

But maybe if all ships are equally fast in hyperspace, then jumping across the least set of distances is fastest, but most likely to get picked up for smuggling. So willing to cut the corner for speed and dodge the risks too...

If a torus expands, the hole gets bigger, not smaller. This is a common demonstration in HS physics.

Have a rod with a steel ball on the end (about an inch diameter). On another rod have a steel ring, with the hole slightly smaller than the ball diameter. Show that the ball will not go through the ring.

Ask the students if the hole will get bigger or smaller if you heat the ring and make it expand. There tend to be pretty strong opinions in favor of both answers.

Heat the ring in a gas flame. The ball will now pass through the ring. The hole got bigger when the ring expanded.

This demonstrates the importance of real experiments over “thought experiments.” It is possible in a thought experiment to come up with an explanation that is clear, reasonable, and wrong.


As for being outside the universe and looking back, I doubt it is possible to be outside the universe. If you are at the edge of the universe, moving beyond the edge doesn’t get you on the outside. It moves the edge of the universe, so that you are still on the inside. You succeeded in distorting the shape of the universe a tiny bit.

Note that this is a thought experiment, so it may be clear, reasonable, and wrong. :)

Now try that experiment with an O-ring and vaseline.

Then it's easier to slide the O-ring on and off your thumbs, I'd imagine.

Thanks for that great experiment, BoJ.

I still can't wrap my head around this either way. Here's an experiment: Place a circle of dough like a donut or bagel (or cookie dough) on a baking pan or in a deep fryer or whatever. When it cooks, the dough expands and the hole will decrease, right? Is the universe more like steel or dough? What if God is really the Pillsbury dough boy?

Dough gets larger not because of thermal expansion, but because it is being pumped full of CO2 bubbles. That’s sort of like the Aristotelian demonstration that heavier things fall faster than light things, by dropping a stone and a feather.

Yes, the stone falls faster, but not because that is how gravity works.

OTOH, perhaps the expansion of the universe is more like bread rising, with bubbles of new space causing the expansion. In that case, I suppose the hole in the donut could shrink.

And if you define the shrinking donut hole as God….

I've always had a sense that if you continued in space in a straight line, you'd come back eventually to where you started. Like the way a circle comes back on itself only in 3 dimensions. Or maybe 4.

Me too. That is also how integer arithmetic works in computers. If you keep adding 1 to a variable that starts at zero, eventually, adding 1 will switch the variable from the most positive value to the most negative value, and if you continue adding 1, you will return to zero.

Or in the political realm, the extreme left and extreme right are actually right next to each other in many respects, and it takes little real change to switch from one extreme to the other. Anti-vaxxers tend to be in both extremes, RFKJr being a prominent example on the left.

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> Or in the political realm, the extreme left and
> extreme right are actually right next to each
> other in many respects, and it takes little real
> change to switch from one extreme to the other.

Exactly. That's why Mussolini was able to move from Left to Right without his followers--who were ore into Pied Piper totalitarianism than to any particular political agenda--and why in his early years Hitler kept refugees from Germany's various Marxist movements into the Nazi Party with fewer restrictions than people from the middle of the spectrum or even the right.

Populism in its various forms is more religious, more about enthusiasm for a leader and what some termed the emotionally cleansing power of violence, than it is about politics.

The Universe is a giant vagina and Dark Matter is what is inside.

Further proof that God is a woman.

This is all very interesting but how does it help a recovery from Mormonism? I am not trying to be smart alec I am serious in my question

It's everything to do with recovery as a certain person's recovery is a One Step Program and that step is claiming God is the Universe, or Laws of Nature, or anything else astronomical--in this case a Donut since God is the Universe and Mother Nature makes the Donuts---or something like that. This let's said person align themselves as part of that group (they believe) with a few blurry quotes from great thinkers such as Einstein, Sagan, and anyone else who might boost said person's ego. So far said person has not claimed to be Einstein's cousin, but we aren't far from that.

Many lend their support to said person in humorous ways, thereby avoiding the extreme annoyance of the OP's M.O. Magnanimous. No?

Ouch! A scathing rebuke!

Did you know Scientists have found what Donut Holes are used for?

They fill the space in Macaroni so it does not collapse.

Is that like the donut hole between ___ ___'s ears?

Watch it or we'll have to confiscate your laptop.

Ha ha!

I did that on an iPad!

I personally favor the "donut twist" theory, although I suppose a cruller would also be possible.

So you are the mysterious Cruller de Vil?

So a doughnut would fear coffee. Hance the ban on coffee?