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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: August 16, 2021 03:34PM

in the stores so this morning I made some real boiled then baked bagels and are they ever great!

A bagel that is not boiled is nothing more than a roll with a hole in it

By the way I have been making bagels for about 50 years now.
I make plain ordinary no frills classic bagels.
AND I LOVEUM



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 08/16/2021 06:33PM by thedesertrat1.

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Posted by: Tevai ( )
Date: August 16, 2021 03:38PM

I have never made a bagel in my life (though I have certainly eaten a sizable number).

I am in awe of your bagel accomplishments.

Mazel tov!!

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: August 16, 2021 03:42PM

      

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Posted by: kentish ( )
Date: August 16, 2021 05:57PM

Wow, and I thought I had a problem with cinnamon raisin bagels that were light on the raisins.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 16, 2021 06:13PM

Settle down, EOD. There's an "l" in that word.

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Posted by: kentish ( )
Date: August 16, 2021 05:54PM

Wow, and I thought I had a problem with cinnamon raisin bagels with not enough raisins in them.

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Posted by: East Coast Exmo ( )
Date: August 16, 2021 06:07PM

A recipe for homemade bagels from Alton Brown

Yes, they are boiled.

https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/bagels-from-scratch-9873518

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Posted by: lillium ( )
Date: August 22, 2021 02:17PM

What's malt syrup?

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Posted by: BoydKKK ( )
Date: August 16, 2021 06:23PM

The sealed portion of the Book of Mormon contained the original Jewish recipe for Bagels.
You can see it was passed down through generations - but not perfectly. This is why Lamanites eat FryBread, because they lost the original Bagel recipe.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: August 16, 2021 06:35PM

BoydKKK Wrote:
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> The sealed portion of the Book of Mormon contained
> the original Jewish recipe for Bagels.
> You can see it was passed down through generations
> - but not perfectly. This is why Lamanites eat
> FryBread, because they lost the original Bagel
> recipe.

Not only that they never learned how to make sourdough

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: August 17, 2021 12:11AM

I try not to eat anything stiff enough to be used as a frisbee.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: August 17, 2021 12:24AM

I was in high school the first time I had a bagel.

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Posted by: Tevai ( )
Date: August 17, 2021 01:53AM

Dave the Atheist Wrote:
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> I was in high school the first time I had a bagel.

Me, too!

When I was a student at Canoga Park High School, there was a Jewish deli in the store directly "next to" (there is a vehicle entrance, off Sherman Way, to a small parking lot in between) the store which is now (and has been for many years) Follow Your Heart (FYH).

FYH is a Valley treasure: a most excellent vegan/vegetarian, informal (come as you are), sit down restaurant which is literally world famous...the store has most everything and every food anyone would need for a vegan/vegetarian lifestyle...the people are great (both the employees and the customers; come in at the right time and you can sit by, or VERY near, any of a huge spectrum of celebrities), FYH has a great book section, and also a great nutritional section.

Anyway, when today's FYH closest neighbor was the Jewish deli, I was introduced to lox on a bagel, matzo ball soup (I wasn't vegetarian back then), and all kinds of other Jewish foods, and it became our high school's "place to go to" after school was out each day.

The Jewish deli became my initial place to learn about Jewish foods of all kinds--most especially bagels (with cream cheese and lox, which is smoked salmon).

I have been eating bagels ever since.

The Jewish deli is now long gone, but the many memories of that time are still vivid to me to this day--every time I turn into the small parking lot which is where you park if you're going into Follow Your Heart.

P.S. Follow Your Heart has the BEST Israeli-style hummus of any place I have ever found outside of Israel. If you like hummus (a chickpea/garbanzo spread to eat with pieces of pita bread, or in sandwiches, etc.), you can buy containers of top quality, freshly-made hummus from the FYH deli case for (I think) about three dollars. FYH hummus is totally delicious.



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Posted by: Kathleen ( )
Date: August 17, 2021 01:46AM

I'd like to bear my testimony that TDR1's dinner rolls are the restored and true dinner rolls of this dispensation. (And his bagels are probably equally inspired.)

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: August 17, 2021 12:53PM

kathleen Wrote:
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> I'd like to bear my testimony that TDR1's dinner
> rolls are the restored and true dinner rolls of
> this dispensation. (And his bagels are probably
> equally inspired.)
Thank you Kathleen If you ever want to come over for pizza here in orem just let me know
Same quality as everything else I bake

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: August 17, 2021 01:06PM

I'm impressed. I've never attempted making bagels. That smacks of effort.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: August 17, 2021 01:18PM

dagny Wrote:
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> I'm impressed. I've never attempted making bagels.
> That smacks of effort.
Yes it does
first you have to make the sourdough. That take an elapsed time of about three days. The dough has to ferment That is usually 2 days.
Then you form the bagel and let it raise. About an hour
Preheat the oven to 350
Then start some distilled water boiling, boil each bagel 30 seconds on each side then bake in the oven for about 15 minutes
The above is a CONDENSED COURSE
It takes a lot of practice



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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: August 17, 2021 07:04PM

> It takes a lot of practice


So it's like a few other things in life ...

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Posted by: Kentish ( )
Date: August 17, 2021 03:24PM

JMO but I think it is easier to find good bagels than good bread. Bread baking seems to be a lost art since it is difficult to find good crusty bread. There's plenty of bread that looks crusty until you touch it and see that it is as soft as doughnuts. Most bread tastes like cardboard.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: August 17, 2021 04:20PM

Kentish Wrote:
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> JMO but I think it is easier to find good bagels
> than good bread. Bread baking seems to be a lost
> art since it is difficult to find good crusty
> bread. There's plenty of bread that looks crusty
> until you touch it and see that it is as soft as
> doughnuts. Most bread tastes like cardboard.
I absolutely agree. That is why I make most of my own bread

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: August 17, 2021 10:15PM

I love shmearing marshmallow creme on my plain bagel…

Such an authentic treat!!

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Posted by: Tevai ( )
Date: August 18, 2021 02:21AM

elderolddog Wrote:
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> I love shmearing marshmallow creme on my plain
> bagel…
>
> Such an authentic treat!!

Yuck!

Pray tell: from whence did an idea such as this emerge?

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 18, 2021 02:46AM

From the depths of an unsound mind.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: August 18, 2021 08:36AM

"The Unsound of Music"

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: August 18, 2021 02:32PM

Tevai Wrote:
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> elderolddog Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I love shmearing marshmallow
> > creme on my plain bagel…
> >
> > Such an authentic treat!!

>
> Yuck!
>
> Pray tell: from whence did an
> idea such as this emerge?


What if I was trying to pass as Jewish, but didn't like cream cheese? Wouldn't this ploy fool people?

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Posted by: Tevai ( )
Date: August 18, 2021 03:06PM

elderolddog Wrote:
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> What if I was trying to pass as Jewish, but didn't
> like cream cheese? Wouldn't this ploy fool
> people?

Granted: marshmallow creme MIGHT fool some people (especially new immigrants from places like southern Yemen, or small and unfamiliar Jewish enclaves in Asia, Africa, etc.)

OTOH, this substitution of marshmallow creme for cream cheese COULD potentially be of value if you were trying to create a brouhaha between observant (follows the dietary laws) Jews and non-observant (do NOT follow the dietary laws) Jews.

For example: you could use marshmallow creme on a bagel to trick a Jewishly observant someone else into thinking you were mixing milk dishes and meat dishes at a designated "meat" meal. [Kosher dietary laws say you cannot mix "milk" dishes with "meat" dishes at the "same" meal, which is defined by a certain number of hours in between either "milk" or "meat," depending on the circumstances.]

This apparently rare situation, I discovered when I was in Israel with my [mostly] American tour group, can come up more frequently than you might think.

I am vegetarian and have been for about thirty years, and when I was in Israel, there were three people in our tour group who were plenty, and loudly vocally, irritated by my mealtime questions along the lines of: "Is there meat in this [unknown to me] Israeli dish?"

These few people kept getting more and more visibly and vocally upset as our tour unfolded, day by day, and I finally asked the "ringleader" of the "group" why ME being a vegetarian was SO offensive to THEM.

The answer was (to me) astounding: "It's because you have it SO EASY!! Every day, WE have to figure out the hours between "milk" and "meat," and YOU never have to! You being a vegetarian is just trying to take the [Jewish] easy way out, so YOU don't have to make the effort required to be kosherly observant! While you take the easy way out, WE have to always do the [hard] work of keeping "milk" meals/snacks totally apart [separated by specific time units] from "meat," keeping our "meat" and "milk" dishes and cutlery totally separate at all times (including during dishwashing), etc.

I was literally speechless.

I never would have had a thought like that in a zillion years.

In my life since, I have never forgotten that, to at least some strictly and faithfully observant Jews, being a vegetarian CAN be thought of as "taking the easy way out."

Marshmallow creme has its place in life, but in my highly personal opinion, that place is definitely NOT on a bagel.

Your mileage, quite obviously, may vary.



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Posted by: knotheadusc ( )
Date: August 18, 2021 10:44AM

I know a woman over here in Germany who has a nice side business making authentic boiled bagels for Americans.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: August 18, 2021 10:53AM

Noah's jalapeño bagels. The greatest collision of two disparate societies in history. Noah and Nacho. A match made on earth.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: August 20, 2021 06:35PM

Done & Done Wrote:
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> Noah's jalapeño bagels. The greatest collision
> of two disparate societies in history. Noah and
> Nacho. A match made on earth.


I can rewrite that as:

  Me dating that Jewish lady-attorney.  
  The greatest collision of two disparate
  societies in history.  Me and Toni.
  A match made in Los Angeles.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: August 18, 2021 04:22PM

Kinda like Mormonism. They offer you something that isn't what you think it is and then you eat it and aren't satisfied. I hear homemade donuts are pretty good though semiannually.

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Posted by: Hervey Willets ( )
Date: August 18, 2021 10:42PM

Whenever I go to New York, I always buy a dozen bagels, some to freeze. There's something in that New Yawk water that makes them special.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: August 20, 2021 11:35AM

Hervey Willets Wrote:
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> Whenever I go to New York, I always buy a dozen
> bagels, some to freeze. There's something in that
> New Yawk water that makes them special.

they are usually boiled in distilled water. That is how I do it

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 20, 2021 04:12PM

We used to have large batches of bagels sent from H&H in NYC. They arrived the day they were cooked and tasted great fresh or frozen.

Alas the 2088 Great Recession killed that company. There are still a couple of H&H local delis but no nationwide operation, more's the pity.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: August 18, 2021 10:45PM

I boil donuts in hot grease, so there must be something to be said about boiling.

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Posted by: anonyXmo ( )
Date: August 18, 2021 10:46PM

Bagels are a lot of carbs! Best to cut that back

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: August 19, 2021 11:41AM

anonyXmo Wrote:
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> Bagels are a lot of carbs! Best to cut that back

NOT IN THIS LIFETIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: August 19, 2021 12:31PM

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: ookami ( )
Date: August 18, 2021 10:54PM

I'm not sure how to compare your version of bagels compared to store-bought bagels, thedesertrat1. Please post the recipe so we can test it ourselves. Or so we can enjoy homemade bagels ourselves.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: August 19, 2021 11:44AM

I am going to make a video shortly and I will post it on youtube.
I will also post where to find it here

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Posted by: olderelder ( )
Date: August 20, 2021 11:47AM

Yeah, it's hard to find decent bagels in most of the country. Sometimes it's hard to find even bad bagels.

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Posted by: cl2notloggedin ( )
Date: August 20, 2021 12:41PM

You could have a side business selling them to we exmos.

I didn't even know there was such a thing as bagels until I was in my 20s. I went to see my nonmormon friends I'd met at Thiokol when they lived in Seattle and we had some. I was really surprised.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: August 20, 2021 01:44PM

cl2notloggedin Wrote:
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> You could have a side business selling them to we
> exmos.
>
> I didn't even know there was such a thing as
> bagels until I was in my 20s. I went to see my
> nonmormon friends I'd met at Thiokol when they
> lived in Seattle and we had some. I was really
> surprised.


A side business would be great but this is Orem and who would buy them

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Posted by: olderelder ( )
Date: August 20, 2021 06:02PM

Give them a different name, like Liahona Rings or Holy-O's.

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Posted by: olderelder ( )
Date: August 20, 2021 07:04PM

Ooo-ooo! Prayer Circles!

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Posted by: pollythinks ( )
Date: August 20, 2021 07:59PM

I live less than an hours drive from Beverly Hills, CA.

One can easily find all the bagels they want there, each one somewhat different than the others.

This community is also full of the rich and famous.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: August 20, 2021 08:05PM

Every time I've been to Beverly Hills, I was asked to leave . . .

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 20, 2021 08:12PM

"Leave the woman and get out!"

Reasonable, no?

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Posted by: Hervey Willets ( )
Date: August 22, 2021 11:28AM

I don't know if they're still as good. But boy, I had great pastrami and Matzo ball soup. I picked up a couple of pounds of cookies for the Ex-Mormon convention, and they disappeared from the refreshments table in less than five minutes.

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